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To: Fred

I’m not. His 9-9-9 plan has already morphed into a bureaucratic, big government nightmare with a “spread the jobs around” component.

The flat tax is preferable but Perry is not.

So, I am back to having no real candidate again.


4 posted on 10/21/2011 12:16:52 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Yep, what we have now isn’t a big government nightmare.


7 posted on 10/21/2011 12:20:32 PM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: GeronL

999 won’t go anywhere, but it does start the discussion about revising the tax code. And he is the only one with a set of cahones to take the issue head on.


8 posted on 10/21/2011 12:20:53 PM PDT by petercooper (2012 - Purge more RINO's.)
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To: GeronL

I respect you man but I don’t know where you are getting the bureaucratic component stuff from? The so called ‘opportunity zones’ are designed to reduce bureaucracy and wave rules like the minimum wage and such to encourage growth in certain areas. I’m not saying it is perfect and it is true that in the past so called ‘empowerment’ have been big pork barrel boondoggles but that most certainly IS NOT the idea that Cain has. Now just as with anything there is no guarantee such things will remain as planned as others implement them which is always the risk but overall Cain’s plan drives the conversation in the right way which is towards tax simplification. People and businesses who now pay virtually no income taxes will which is good from a political perspective too. When you don’t have any skin in the game and think that all these govt programs and giveaways are ‘free’ then you tend to make less sound decisions. The big thing needed to help prevent using taxes in an abusive fashion is a Constitutional amendment to limit taxation specifically. What I’d like personally is to remove the ability of the federal govt to collect any taxes directly from citizens and instead the states would have to authorize what they will provide to fund the federal government. This would end the cycle of money flowing from the states, the feds taking a cut and sending it back in a money laundering scheme that would make a crime family proud. Most states receive exactly back or a bit more in taxes than they contribute the overhead is passed onto richer states and contributes to the debt with the DC benefiting the most and taking the biggest cut. This change would save a lot of cash and also force decentralization.
A another more difficult amendment would limit states and their tax devices to direct taxes of individuals just as originally written into the second constitution which we are under. It may not be necessary because as long as people are free to move from state to state bad tax policies in one state will benefit those states that have more business friendly policy.

Well that’s my tax plan and I think it would forever change the country for the better. It would minimize federal power and increase the power of governors and state legislatures and produce a better self limiting system. Either way Cain’s plan does not produce a bigger bureaucracy. Those who are saying that are just lying. I’m supporting Cain now because I think he provides an excellent opportunity for us. Will he be perfect? No but if the biggest criticism of him is that he has no experience in elected office then that isn’t bad.

Don’t be tricked into the perfect being the enemy of the good. Ending up with Romney is not an option. Let’s disarm Obama with his opposite. A private sector advocate who has worked and been successful with real mainstream businesses. Let’s bring the Cain and we just may change the dynamic forever and destroy the Democrat African American Republicans are racist dynamic in the process. Right now Cain doesn’t have the name rec but has some of the highest positives of any of the candidates. That should tell you something. What other candidates are slamming those stupid OWS protesters and calling them what they are?

It comes down to do you believe we can will without electing a status quo politician. If we can’t then what exactly are we fighting for?


28 posted on 10/21/2011 12:42:20 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: GeronL

Where’s a FRed Thompson or Sarah Palin when ya need him?

probably lying on a beach somewhere with the kids.. ;-]

PS: Tim Pawlenty called and said he’s available .. again.


30 posted on 10/21/2011 12:42:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: GeronL

How did you arrive at that conclusion? I think the government jobs lost by Herman Cain’s limited government policies might cause a temporary rise in the unemployment rate, and we may have a slight rise in work men’s compensation, but the tax payer will no longer be paying the enormous salaries to those let go. That, in itself, is an immense savings! Go Herman Cain!

Read 2 Thessalonians 2.

The media will be coming down hard on Mr. Cain. Do not be taken in by them.


39 posted on 10/21/2011 12:51:51 PM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain.)
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To: GeronL

Sounds like your for Obama.


43 posted on 10/21/2011 12:55:34 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: GeronL

Where do you think La Raza Ricky will finish?


61 posted on 10/21/2011 1:11:35 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: GeronL

I’m very un-worried about this. Congress would craft it, meaning that you could end up with 9-9 and forget the sales tax, which will likely happen. The explosion in business would be stunning.


98 posted on 10/21/2011 1:52:21 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: GeronL

Don’t worry about 999, it cannot go anywhere.


104 posted on 10/21/2011 2:02:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: GeronL

We can find some cheese to compliment your whine! So you would rather keep the fargin monstrosity we have now than to give someone a chance to bring a whole new mandate to scrap the friggin thing!

I’m really sorry we can’t find a violin small enough./sarc


113 posted on 10/21/2011 2:18:16 PM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: GeronL

There is a big fallacy in your position. The President can only suggest a course of action. The Congress must act on the suggestion.

The 999 suggestion is merely a starting point for the discussion and debate.

To expect Christ like perfection is silly. What Cain is suggesting is incremental reform


142 posted on 10/21/2011 4:17:56 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..posted from the great river road)
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To: GeronL; Fred
His 9-9-9 plan has already morphed into a bureaucratic, big government nightmare with a “spread the jobs around” component.

Need smaller government not a bigger one.

169 posted on 10/22/2011 1:31:40 AM PDT by Doofer ("If debt is the problem, how is more debt the solution"?)
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To: GeronL

“I’m not. His 9-9-9 plan has already morphed into a bureaucratic, big government nightmare with a “spread the jobs around” component.

The flat tax is preferable but Perry is not.

So, I am back to having no real candidate again.”

Ditto.


173 posted on 10/22/2011 7:07:51 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: GeronL
So, I am back to having no real candidate again.

I don't believe you have to feel that way.

Whatever kinks that there are in his tax proposals, it is wise to keep in mind that it is certain it will be run through the congressional pork grinder and probably not resemble its original form much at all.

In the end, the only way to keep taxes in line is to shrink the government and its spending. Reduce government and government power.

Mr. Cain sounds more in agreement with less government than the others. His overall value system seems more in tune with us than the others.

When I was in my mid 20s my father observed that if you are holding out for the perfect woman, plan on being single for the rest of your life.

No one arrives at the Oval Office completely prepared, trained and experienced. Our best Presidents have had the raw talents, but grew into the office.

IMO, at least at this point, Mr. Cain is a positive option, not the lesser of two evils as usually happens. We should hope that continues, because Mitt Romney is not an option. He may be prettier than the others, and does not appear to be a rabid America hater, but he is a died in the wool socialist elitist and will finish off this country.

185 posted on 10/22/2011 12:44:55 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: GeronL
So, I am back to having no real candidate again.

Same here.

187 posted on 10/22/2011 1:29:16 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood. Seriously.)
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