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NBC/WSJ poll: Cain now leads GOP pack (Cain 27% Romney 23% Perry 16%)
NBC News ^ | 12 Oct 2011 | Mark Murray

Posted on 10/12/2011 4:14:52 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss

Fueled by Tea Party supporters, conservatives and high-interest GOP primary voters, former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

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Cain checks in as the first choice of 27 percent of Republican voters in the poll, followed by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 23 percent and Perry at 16 percent. After those three, it’s Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 11 percent, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich at 8 percent, Bachmann at 5 percent and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 3 percent.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Meet the New Boss

RASMUSSEN POLL: Cain 29% Romney 29% Gingrich 10%... Developing... Just posted on DRUDGE !!!


281 posted on 10/13/2011 8:17:33 AM PDT by mandaladon (PalinGenesis)
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To: Huck

“executives in republican government”

Cain is not tainted by that.


282 posted on 10/13/2011 8:54:40 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (Fast & Furious: Holder gone by the end of the year.)
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To: Huck
Huck: I believe we need a national sales tax. It would help us save money for retirement. As a business owner - Manufacturing boats - I want to say that we need it, but with this disclaimer:

NO sales tax on homes, stocks or autos - and INCOME TAXES can't go above 9.1%!!

What I want is the federal government to reduce taxes and spending and defund Education, EPA and Transportation.

283 posted on 10/13/2011 8:59:25 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: Parley Baer
Cain/Rubio.

Great ticket... almost as good as my TAGLINE!!! :-)

284 posted on 10/13/2011 9:01:35 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: basil
I do think that food and medicine should be exempt from any kind of tax, though.

Me too...I forgot to put that as things that should be exempt!!

285 posted on 10/13/2011 9:10:32 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: Future Useless Eater

Good job, friend. You ought to email your work to the Cain campaign. It also wouldn’t hurt to post it to a blog, then post that link to Cain’s various Facebook groups.


286 posted on 10/13/2011 9:18:40 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: KevinDavis

No a Cain/West ticket will cause the libs to explode..

Did you get that from my TAGLINE??? :-)


287 posted on 10/13/2011 9:19:04 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: Rennes Templar

That’s right. He has no record. He’s unaccountable.


288 posted on 10/13/2011 9:42:19 AM PDT by Huck (The Tea Party supports a Sales Tax and a VAT. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.)
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To: Huck

9% national tax on EVERY item you buy..if you spend 700 a month for gasoline, groceries, eating out...that would be 64.00 a month to the feds (big items not included) You would spend 768.00 dollars a year and that doesn’t count whatever you would buy at Christmas or other special occasions. Add this to your personal income tax and pray that the rates don’t go UP. I just do not feel comfortable with this since our county taxes are already high and they are talking abour raising them.


289 posted on 10/13/2011 9:46:57 AM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

Except in “empowerment zones.” I wonder if Cain’s plan is going to include any of us in those zones. /s


290 posted on 10/13/2011 9:53:54 AM PDT by Huck (9-9-9 is a SALES tax AND a VAT -- read about it at Nat'l Review: http://tinyurl.com/3w9ak3a)
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To: TornadoAlley3

I hear ya. I decided long ago that it’s impossible to find a single candidate who holds every single value/plan/idea that I have, so I have to chose the best of what is available and live with it.


291 posted on 10/13/2011 9:56:34 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Taxed Enough Already!!)
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To: WestSylvanian

You and Huck are missing the point here. Cain’s tax idea is intended to provoke a serious tax dicussion amongst our elected officials. Nothing get’s passed and enacted into law simply because the President likes it (thank God or we’d be sunk with Barry’s ideas).

Why is it right for someone making $25K, who uses all of the same public services that the rest of us use, to not pay a tax? And why is it fair for the so-called rich to limit taxes through lawful loopholes and deversions to capital gains? An across the board flat tax is the only “fair” way to tax American citizens.

You are also forgeting that people’s paychecks would grow with the elmination of the federal payroll tax. So they’d enjoy more spending money each month.


292 posted on 10/13/2011 10:07:21 AM PDT by RacerXSpeedRacer (Conservative principals and values - pray for our future.)
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To: Politicalmom

“I’d be thrilled with the Fair Tax.”

I’m not for the Fair Tax, as “fair” is different for every person. I want a Flat Tax, with a one-page supporting document, and abolition of the IRS. (Flat Tax is the only true fair tax.)


293 posted on 10/13/2011 10:10:50 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: not2worry
Rush owns Perry because he urged him to run in the first place. I initially thought, based on Rush's input, that Perry was the man until he came out with his position on illegals being able to attend state colleges....then adding that conservatives that support this are heartless.

Rushbo is wrong on Perry and I wish he would man up to it!

In my opinion, Rush has one foot planted in the past, and one foot planted in the present. I believe that Perry appeals to his 20th century, old school political thinking. Perry has all the trappings of a 'big man' in the Republican party, and would have likely been a cinch to win the nomination 20 years ago.

What Rush is unsure of, is his footing in the politics of the 21st century. Although he's seen and commented upon the citizen rebellion known as the Tea Party, I don't believe he fully trusts The People to choose a non-establishment, rebel leader, for their president.

In my opinion, this is why he completely missed the historic importance of Sarah Palin. He said the other day on his show that he never thought she'd run for president (although any honest observer would admit that she clearly was doing so). He only commented on this because a caller took him to task for never mentioning the fact that Palin had just made it known that she wasn't running.

The fact that he didn't consider her announcement newsworthy enough to mention, tells me how disconnected he is from the current mindset of average Americans, who are looking for a revolutionary leader, and taking a pass on the usual crop of establishment types.

We'll see whether he finally finds his footing in the revolutionary politics of the present or not. In the end, he's just a commentator (albeit a very influential one).

294 posted on 10/13/2011 10:18:10 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: BagCamAddict

Let’s let this play out and see where it goes. Don’t write Cain off just because you don’t like 9-9-9.

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Excellent point, Bag. I don’t like to see people wetting their pants over Cain’s proposal. Cain has too many good qualities as a candidate to disqualify him on something that
is very likely not to pass anyway. I think all these people who don’t like Cain’s proposal are the same ones who would divorce their spouse because they had some food stuck on their front tooth.


295 posted on 10/13/2011 10:28:31 AM PDT by reaganbooster (The democrat party symbol should be the grim reaper instead of the donkey.)
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To: NYC-Conserv
Even though the biggest decision I ever made was what toppings to offer on a pizza, I want to run the most powerful country in the world

Wow. That's just nasty ad hominem attack. Surely, you needn't stoop so low to make your case against the man.

296 posted on 10/13/2011 10:45:09 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Grunthor

The 15.3% is charged against all of your income. Though you pay half and your employer pays half. Only the first of the 9% of 9-9-9 is on all of your income. The second 9%, or the sales tax portion, is only on any “new” item you purchase. Even if you used every penny of your remaining income on the 9% deduction for income tax to purchase new items, your tax expediture will be less than 9% of your total income.

Since purchases are something you can control, you will determine how much of your money after income taxes actually goes to pay the sales tax. If you only purchase used items, such as a used car or used house, you will pay no sales tax.

Some people do not understand economics or how taxes are computed and how they cause the cost of items to go up, increase employer expenses and retard economic growth. So it is difficult to explain these things to them. That’s how you get ridiculous ideas like 30% tax from the 9-9-9 tax plan.

This plan will bring all of the 48% who do not currently pay income taxes inline with the rest of the taxpayers. Putting us all on an equal footing. It will lower the business tax rates and remove incentives for those who take their businesses outside of the US. The subsidies would end for businesses, and I believe but I’m not certain of this, the IRS EITC welfare system ends. It leaves deductions for charity. Nine-Nine-Nine simplifies the tax system. It will create jobs, jobs, jobs. It will grow, grow, grow the economy. It may well take business from tax accountants, but finally the tax system will be working for everyone.


297 posted on 10/13/2011 11:24:36 AM PDT by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: Waryone

Yes I am starting to understand this a lot better and now that Art Laffer and Paul Ryan have come out in favor of this plan I feel more comfortable with it.


298 posted on 10/13/2011 11:30:48 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: hocndoc

I will research the “empowerment zones” thing and report back. Frankly I have not looked into it yet.


299 posted on 10/13/2011 11:36:41 AM PDT by federal__reserve (Economy on life support needs a revolutionary tax plan, not fiddle around the edges!)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield
Yes, you are all falling for hype -- smooth talking... even a report this morning says exactly what I've been saying about this:

If you're a corporation, own a small business or count yourself among the richest Americans, you'll simply love it. If not, you'd simply pay a lot more in taxes.

http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/13/8304334-cains-9-9-9-tax-plan-is-simple-youll-simply-pay-more

300 posted on 10/13/2011 12:14:49 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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