Free Republic Sacrilege: Why Perry is the Conservative and Cain is Not

Self | 10/10/2011 | Beancounter13

[beancounter13]

Issue	Perry	Cain
2nd Amendment	Has a firearm, a CCL, and he uses them. Has a long history of 2nd Amendment support: 2nd Amendment	Thinks gun control should be left to the state and local governments placing him at odds with Heller and McDonald. Cain's CNN
Abortion	Perry signed into law a regulation would have required women seeking an abortion to view a sonogram and listen to the fetus's heartbeat while a doctor rattled off a detailed description of the fetus's anatomical development — and then forcibly ponder their decision for an additional 24 hours before an abortion could be performed. Abortion	Pro-life from conception, pro-life from conception, pro-life from conception. Cain's CNN
Gay Marriage (note the so-called 'flip-flop' actually serves to showcase Perry's support of the 10th Amendment)	Rick Perry has signed a pledge to back a federal constitutional amendment against gay marriage – a reversal from a month ago when the Texas governor said he so supported individual states' rights that he was fine with New York's approval of same-sex marriage. Gay Marriage	Supports traditional marriage, support traditional marriage Cain's CNN
Global Warming / Cap & Trade	Long history of fighting the EPA as Texas Governor: [The EPA] relied heavily upon findings by climate-change scientists that have been subsequently discredited by the scientists' own e-mails .... Global Warming	I don't believe global war-- global warming is real. Do we have climate change? Yes. Is it a crisis, no. And this is why I strongly oppose the-- the cap in trade Cain on Global Warming
Red Flags	Use of a liberal term (“heartless”) while discussing an issue (in-state tuition for residents of non-citizens).	Use of a liberal term (“insensitive”) in referring to a racial accusation before the facts were revealed.

[abigkahuna]

All I know is that Perry went to a Bildeberger meeting a few years back and that makes him ineligible as a globalist as far as I am concerned

[lonestar]

I understand he is against abortion...I was referring to the interview ...his response was confusing.

[DRey]

Correction. Post 57. I’m really going to bed now. : )

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Perry stood, no, jumped on his unit with regards to the illegals instate tuition.Non starter for us here in Georgia.We think Alabamas laws are just what the country needs.I just dont trust perry like I trust Cain.I’m going with the rocket scientist.

[Meet the New Boss]

You repeatedly make that same claim, even though you know it's not true. Why do you do that?

I DOCUMENT THAT CLAIM WITH RICK PERRY'S OWN STATEMENT ISSUED BY THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

[william clark]

Now that I have seen more of him it's the same things over and over.

Wouldn't have anything to do with him speaking to different groups of people or answering questions from different reporters on the same topics, would it? I know, call me crazy.

[beancounter13]

You didn’t contrast their positions on immigration.

Because, aside from signing a residency bill for in-state tuition, there really isn't an issue?

The in-state residency is something Texans were going to have to deal with anyway: they were already here (at least 3 years), we could not deport them (Feds rule), and it was a way of ensuring that they would apply for citizenship.

Please see post #37.

[kevao]

ISSUE: In-State Tuition for Illegal Aliens

CAIN: Against.

PERRY: Thinks tuition rates should be left to the state and local governments, placing him at odds with the majority of non-illegal aliens.

[MattinNJ]

Excellent post. Perry is toast because of his debate performances and the right, myself included, will not tolerate another RINO. Cain-much to my surprise, will be the nominee and next POTUS. My dog could beat Obama at this point.

[Reagan Man]

Its always good to see someone standing up for a good Reagan conservative like Rick Perry.

Perry is a true fiscal and social conservative and a strong proponent of state's rights and limited government. He has a successful executive governing record in Texas and has worked hard to keep his state competitive in creating jobs, keeping taxes low with restraints on spending. Along with passing serious tort reform and reductions in regulations. Perry also closed down ALL the Planned Parenthood abortion on demand clinics throughout Texas.

Cain is a political neophyte. He has no governing or legislative record to judge him on. Therefore in order to draw a distinction between himself and the other candidates, Cain came up with his 999 tax plan and his Chilean plan for SocSec. Both are gimmicks or political ploys and neither one will see the light of day for obvious reasons.

[lonestar]

Perry was invited to be a speaker. He is not and never was a Bildeberger.

I would love to go to a Bildeberger meeting...even as a fly on the wall.

Does that make me a Bildeberger? I can't imagine anybody NOT going if given a chance.

But I'll never be invited...and Perry hasn't been invited back.

I guess he called them "Heartless."

And I'm a nobody!

[beancounter13]

That is a matter of opinion. IMHO, Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, and it will take more that one view to resolve it.

It has been running for far too long.

[lonestar]

The point is he speaks in soundbites.

[munin]

Regardless, saying something like “Perry is the conservative” is a rather bold statement.

Perry is a conservative on most things,however, I think he is also a pragmatist and will do whatever he think he need to, but be as conservative as he can, however,I like Cain better each time I hear him speak, at least for now, plenty of time yet

[william clark]

You mean like that one he uttered from the podium at the Values Voters conference?

[beancounter13]

He is learning fast and getting better at managing the press.

Funny how people can give Cain a chance at the ol' learning curve even though he has been a declared candidate since December.

Perry has been in less that 10 weeks, and people will not move past the 'heartless' comment.

The two comments are equally bad when you think about the ramifications.

[TexMom7]

He was invited one time to speak on state vs federal relations along with the governor of Kansas at that time.
Both were governors of states effected by nafta at that time.

He went and gave a speech one time. He did not use taxpayers money to do it. and that was it.

He is not a member.

He is not a globalist.

Even Ron Paul will tell you that.

[MindBender26]

Dear Fool,

Make sure every day you find something to dislike in a potential Republican candidate.

Make sure you help reelect Obama.

[kevao]

they were already here (at least 3 years), we could not deport them (Feds rule), and it was a way of ensuring that they would apply for citizenship.

So you decided to offer illegal aliens in-state tuition to give them an incentive to apply for citizenship? LMAO!

How about the hundreds of thousands of foreigners overseas, who have been patiently waiting in line for years, jumping through all the hoops to apply for *legal* entry into the USA. Does Texas offer them or their kids in-state tuition?

Is it any wonder when some of them ask, Just why are we doing this "the right way" again? When those who break the law and jump to the head of the line are rewarded for thwarting the law and we're left with jack $hit?

No, no perverse incentive there, my FRiend....

[Netizen]

Secure the border with more boots on the ground

I do believe we can secure the border with a combination of boots on the ground, technology, and a fence, but we've got three other problems. And to get to it, we've got to secure the border.

Secondly, let's promote the path to citizenship that's already there. We don't need a new one, we just need to clean up the bureaucracy that's slowing the process down and discouraging people.

The third thing we need to do, enforce the laws that are there, and the way we do it, empower the states. I believe that the people closest to the problem are the best ones to be able to solve that problem. Empower the states to do what the federal government hasn't done, can't do, and won't do. This is how we solve the entire problem.

Source: 2011 GOP debate in Simi Valley CA at the Reagan Library , Sep 7, 2011

We have a path to citizenship: it's called legal immigration

Q: When Pres. Obama joked about protecting the borders with alligators and a moat, not only did you embrace the idea, you upped the ante with "a 20-foot barbed wire electrified fence." Were you serious?

A: America has got to learn how to take a joke. But allow me to give you my real solution to the immigration problem. I happen to believe that is four problems.

1. Yes, we must secure the border with whatever means necessary.
2. Enforce the laws that are there.
3. Promote the path to citizenship that's already there. We have a path to citizenship for illegal aliens. It's called legal immigration.
4. And then, I happen to agree with empowering the states and allow them to deal with that issue. If we work on the right problem, we will be able to solve it.

And in the case of immigration, we've got four problems that we need to work on simultaneously. We can have high fences and wide open doors, all at the same time. Source: Iowa Straw Poll 2011 GOP debate in Ames Iowa , Aug 11, 2011

Not right to sue Arizona for trying to protect themselves

I want to share with you my three guiding principles so you know what type of leader I will be. Three of my guiding principles that have guided my life; guided the decisions I made when I was running companies; and guided my family.

• Guiding principle #1: Do the right thing. It was not right to sue the state of Arizona when they were simply trying to protect themselves. You will always be able to count on Herman Cain to do what is right.
• Guiding principle #2: We have got to lead this nation from an entitlement society to an empowerment society, by getting government out of the way. We've got to empower states to do what states do best: to solve the people's problems at the state level. Empowerment, not entitlement
• Guiding principle #3: It's not about us. We have to defend the life of the unborn. We must defend those principles that this nation was founded upon.

Source: 2011 Faith and Freedom Conference , Jun 4, 2011

Secure our borders; enforce our laws

Americans have embraced their role as the world's premier "melting pot," welcoming immigrants from every corner of the planet. We readily learn about other cultures, customs and beliefs. We appreciate those who are willing to come to this country and mak America a more vibrant and enriched place.

Americans do resent, however, the willingness of some to circumvent our laws and enter our nation illegally. While many, if not most, illegal immigrants are peaceful people simply seeking to provide for their families, some are not. In fact, some are quite dangerous, jeopardizing the safety and well-being of American citizens.

Illegal immigration also puts a tremendous strain on America's entitlement and health care systems. In fact, several hospitals in the U.S. have declared bankruptcy as a result of the costs of caring for illegal immigrants.

We must secure our borders, enforce our laws and promote the existing path to citizenship.ÿ

Source: Campaign website, www.hermancain.com/ "Issues" , May 21, 2011

Where's the fence? Not in the Immigration Bill!

The Comprehensive Immigration Bill debated in the Senate last week was dead on arrival. Most regular folks kept screaming, "Where's the fence?"

The Immigration Bill was supposed to be good compromise legislation. It is just bad legislation with different agendas glued together, while not emphasizing enough of the public's number one priority - the fence! Not just wire, wood and concrete, but all the technologies we have available to stop the rampant inflow of illegal aliens into this country.

Source: Political column, THE New Voice, "Immigration Bill" , Jun 11, 2007

Denied college admission due to race; but never lost faith

In Cain's telling, he was denied admission to the University of Georgia based on his race, even though he ranked second in his high school class. Rather than show righteous anger and indignation at how his basic life chances were threatened by the illogic of white supremacy, Herman Cain "never lost faith in America" and oddly "found inspiration in the experience" as it reinforced the values his parents had instilled in him. Source: Chauncey De Vega, Salon.com, "Apologist for White Racism" , Mar 21, 2011

I oppose government-imposed hiring quotas

Though my positions on the political issues have wavered little throughout my life, I honestly did not realize I was a conservative until I began my campaign for US Senate. I am pro-life on the issue of abortion. I fully support the Second Amendment right to bear arms. I am opposed to a government-imposed quota system on hiring practices. I believe we must replace the out-of-date federal tax code, and I believe Congress must severely cut back on its wasteful spending. But I did not know the term conservative defined my belief system. Prior to initial consultations with my campaign consultants when I ran for US Senate in Georgia, no one had ever packaged my political views into a single term. Source: They Think You're Stupid, by Herman Cain, p. 21-26 , Jun 14, 2005