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With Sarah out, which conservative candidate has the best shot of knocking out Romney and Obama?
vanity poll | Oct 5, 2011 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 10/05/2011 5:06:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

My personal favorites are:

1) Bachmann

2) Cain

3) perry

Cannot get excited about Gingrich or Santorum.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bachmann; cain; cainvsunable; conservatives; elections; hermancain; hermanthemagnificent; obama; obama4romney; palin; palin2012; perry; romney; romney4dnc; sarah; sarahpalin
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To: Beagle8U
The only way I see is boots on the ground and someone willing to enforce it. Fences where practical.

There's the Perry party line. And the stickler is the 'someone willing to enforce it' part.

If it was Duncan Hunter, I'd believe it.

Perry... Not so much.

Mebbe he'd be better off to haul ol Dunc outta mothballs and promise to turn him loose.

381 posted on 10/05/2011 11:04:11 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

Only the POTUS can enforce it, a Governor can’t do it without support in Washington.


382 posted on 10/05/2011 11:08:52 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Gene Eric
“So you’re being sarcastic regarding the protesting of “Anyone but Obama” when that “anyone” is Romney?”
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All I'm saying is, in a worst case scenario, if Romney were to win the GOP nomination, I'd vote for him. I'll vote for whomever the GOP primary winner is. Anyone of these Republicans would be far superior to the Marxist currently holding office. Anyone of these Republican candidates...even Romney, DO NOT HATE THEIR COUNTRY, AND ARE NOT MARXISTS!

There are some who are saying: “If Romney is the nominee, I won't vote!” This is complete lunacy! By these people not voting for Romney (if he were to be the GOP nominee) they would ensure an Obama victory. The country cannot survive four more years of Obama! Do any of these people who've already decided to not vote for Romney, really believe his goal is to destroy the USA like Obama is doing? Please.

Rush is right; anyone of the GOP contenders would be a Godsend compared to Obama. Again, there's not one GOP nominee (maybe Huntsman) who want to “fundamentally transform” this nation into a Banana Republic.

Jim's response to me concerning our country not surviving another four years of Obama was: “Shit happens, then you die.” Sorry, but when our children and grand-children’s futures are at stake, his attitude, and those who have already decided that they will not vote unless their candidate gets the win are supremely selfish and misguided.

Republicans who decide not to vote will be ensuring Obama secures a second term, and the certain destruction of our country.

383 posted on 10/05/2011 11:33:47 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Jim Robinson
I'd love to see a Cain/Bachmann ticket, and I think that they will have the best chance of giving us ads like this four years from now.

Who do you think would be good in the Cabinet? I think Palin would be an excellent Sec of Interior (can you imagine all of the enviro-wacko heads exploding over it?), Gingrich would be a great Sec of State, and I'd love to see General Petraeus as Sec of Defense.

384 posted on 10/05/2011 11:46:29 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: Jim Robinson; All

Any of them can beat Obama, so we shouldn’t be afraid to back the strongest conservative.

Poll shows generic Republican can win against Obama in a landslide!

“Election 2012: Generic Presidential Ballot
Election 2012: Generic Republican 47%, Obama 41%”

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/generic_presidential_ballot/election_2012_generic_presidential_ballot:

I like Bachmann, Cain and Santorum.


385 posted on 10/05/2011 11:49:01 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Artcore; Jim Robinson

Obligatory inclusion of FReeper in mention...

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I get what you’re saying, and I appreciate the explanation.

As far as I’m concerned, POTUS Romney is the furthest thought until after the primaries. It’s pointless to debate support for his nomination for reasons that should be obvious.

I’ll go out on a limb and say nobody here is indifferent about our kids and grandchildren under any circumstances.

Our battle today is not to defend POTUS Romney, but to ensure the nomination of the best Republican candidate possible.

Hypothetical Romney is a waste of time, FRiend.


386 posted on 10/05/2011 11:51:55 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Gene Eric
Good points.

As you noted, we still have to get through the primary process, and any projection of a definite winner is way too premature. I was just surprised at how many people were saying that if Romney won the primary, they simply wouldn't vote. I'm not trying to get too far ahead of myself, but if this thought gains strength, and it comes to fruition, we are screwed royally as a nation.

I'd rather deal with a RINO who doesn't hate his country, than a Marxist who not only hates it, but is trying to transform it into something unrecognizable. If we thought Obama did damage in his first term, well, we ain't seen nothin’ yet!

Cheers!

387 posted on 10/06/2011 12:12:17 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: Jim Noble

I honestly don’t know how you came to believe Perry is a statist. Everything I’ve read and seen of his record indicates that he’s the most pro-state’s rights candidate running.


388 posted on 10/06/2011 1:15:44 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’d add Department of Education as well (we don’t need to duplicate efforts, and every state already has one - at best, we need a national education standards office).

Add to it, the Departments of Energy and Labor. (We buy and sell energy every day, so why not place it under commerce? Same with Labor, as we sell our labor to businesses in return for money.)

Plus the Department of Homeland Security (I thought the Department of Defense had that job).


389 posted on 10/06/2011 1:23:16 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: catfish1957

What is with everyone saying that Obama, the man who can’t even talk to children at a school without a teleprompter, is the master debater that could easily win any debate?

Sheesh, he’s known as the TOTUS for a reason!


390 posted on 10/06/2011 2:01:34 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Considering the number of ‘Miss me now?’ billboards with Bush on them... do you really believe that America is going to say that?


391 posted on 10/06/2011 2:05:49 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Quicksilver

That, and the economy are the two main issues for me this election.

Any candidate that doesn’t have either a good record on state’s rights or can’t convince me that they are serious about them will not get my vote.


392 posted on 10/06/2011 2:12:35 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Artcore

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Democrats use good intentions to justify all the garbage they’ve foisted upon our great nation.

And you ask me to support Romney because he’s got our country’s best intentions at heart?

That doesn’t cut it.


393 posted on 10/06/2011 2:17:08 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: truthfreedom

Honestly, if you find Romney more conservative than Perry, what do you find conservative?

(I’m not being sarcastic, either. I can’t see anyone finding Romney conservative at all, so I’m genuinely wondering what you find to be conservative?)


394 posted on 10/06/2011 2:24:04 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I would say that border security doesn not have to mean a fence... boots on the ground work for me.

I’d prefer the revocation of all benefits for illegals, though, as I figure that... for the most part, they’ll self-deport themselves in that case.


395 posted on 10/06/2011 2:30:14 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Mtner77

You know, your son, the border agent on in Texas... is backed up by the Texas Rangers, because Perry ordered them to police the border.

Which is more than anything Bush or Obama did.

It’s not the best, but it’s a far more than what you’re making it out to be.


396 posted on 10/06/2011 2:33:47 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Grey Eagle

Sorry, but there is nothing staunch about Perry.


397 posted on 10/06/2011 3:04:26 AM PDT by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

May God bless and keep you here to fulfill your goal. Prayers up for you each day that you live to see Obama in jailhouse orange and a Conservative in the White House.


398 posted on 10/06/2011 4:50:46 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: TheOldLady

Thanks!


399 posted on 10/06/2011 4:53:55 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim Robinson wrote on Wednesday, October 05, 2011 10:39:47 PM: “Romney 2012 would be just as disastrous as McCain 2008 only worse. Conservatives could not get excited about RINO McCain and they’ll even be more disgusted with abortionist, gay rights pushing, gun-grabbing, global warming advocating, left of Kennedy socialist healthcare pushing, draft-dodging, lying progressive RINO Romney. At least McCain was a war hero and was pro-life. Should the GOP go progressive with Romney, the GOP will get what it will then deserve. A sound thrashing. And then it’ll probably go belly up for lack of support.”

I am not a third-party supporter. I believe defeating President Obama has to be priority number one.

Having said that, I hope the moderate wing of the Republican Party, who are in many cases pragmatists who put winning elections before principle, listen long and hard to what Jim Robinson wrote here. Many people agree with him, and unlike 2008 when key parts of the Christian conservative movement decided they could tolerate Sen. McCain because of his pro-life views, and key parts of the secular conservative movement respected McCain's war record, Gov. Romney simply does not have those “bona fides” for many conservative Republicans.

My strong caution to anyone seriously advocating a third party is this: Yes, you'll kill the Republicans just as the Whigs were destroyed because they refused to take a principled stand on the key issue of politics in those days, namely, slavery. However, expect to lose the 2012 election, just as the Republicans lost in 1856. For a third party to stand a serious chance of replacing the Republicans in the current political context, the third party needs to win numerous state-level races for governorships and state legislatures, as well as numerous seats in Congress. It also needs to have key leaders of the right wing of the Republican Party jump ship to become affiliated with the new party, and that includes people currently in office at the federal level and key state positions such as governorships.

The problem is that in many cases, a third-party candidate will throw the election to Democrats who otherwise would have lost. Are we willing to have that happen?

I personally believe that Republicans like Romney and Schwarzenegger can play a valuable role in left-wing states where a standard conservative Republican is not electable. But putting people like Romney in the presidential election race is a grave mistake. Are Republican pragmatists really that un-pragmatic?

If the election of President Barack Obama taught us anything, it is that radical positions can be electable if they fire up the base. The Democratic Party learned that in 2008, and the moderate Democrats found out to their shock that the far left of their party not only won the nomination but won the presidential election.

Being radical is not necessarily a bad thing. Republicans learned that in 1980 when the “unelectable” Ronald Reagan defeated a traditional Southern socially conservative and born-again governor, and laid the foundation for turning virtually the entire South into Republican territory.

I hope I don't get placed into a position of having to decide whether to vote for President Obama, a RINO Republican, or a third-party true conservative. If Republican pragmatists are wise, they won't create that choice. Doing that is dumb, both in long-term and short-term perspective.

400 posted on 10/06/2011 5:16:50 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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