(kids, for those Rio Hondo /s)should be: (kids, for those in Rio Hondo /s)
My utmost apologies to those I was trying to offend.
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Posted on 10/05/2011 4:26:40 PM PDT by justsaynomore
GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain, once the longest of long shots, is surging in polls across the country and now leads the field among N.C. Republicans.
Cain's gains have come at the expense of Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who has fallen as much as the Atlanta businessman has climbed.
Combined with the unsuccessful courtship of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, the polls suggest a GOP electorate still looking for a 2012 flag-bearer.
"Part of what these numbers demonstrate is the volatility within the Republican electorate," said Adolphus Belk, a political scientist at Rock Hill's Winthrop University. "Republicans ... haven't fallen in love with anyone yet."
As if to underscore that, Christie on Tuesday formally spurned the advances of establishment Republicans looking for another candidate.
"Now is not my time," he told reporters in Trenton. "For me the answer was never anything but no. My job here in New Jersey was always my passion."
Christie's decision appears to freeze the Republican field, at least for now, in an election season suddenly becoming squeezed.
Monday's decision by S.C. Republicans to move up their primary five weeks to Jan. 21 will push contests in Iowa and New Hampshire even earlier, to just after the holidays. All that gives any new candidate less time to raise the money and build the organization needed for success in the early states.
That leaves many Republican voters still searching.
A survey released Tuesday by Raleigh's Public Policy Polling shows Cain leading his rivals in North Carolina, Nebraska and West Virginia.
In North Carolina, the Atlanta businessman has the support of 27 percent of Republican voters. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich were next at 17 percent.
Perry, who led last month with 35 percent, had the support of 15 percent of GOP voters.
The margin of error is 4.9 percentage points for the North Carolina and Nebraska results, and 5.7 percentage points for the West Virginia survey.
The N.C. poll wasn't the only good news for Cain. A national poll by the Washington Post and ABC News this week showed that Romney leads announced GOP candidates with 25 percent, with Perry and Cain tied for second with 16 percent. That represents a 12-point rise for Cain and a 13-point drop for Perry since last month.
And another poll shows Cain narrowly trailing Romney among Florida Republicans, with Perry in fourth place behind Gingrich.
The polls were done after Cain's surprise victory Sept. 24 in Florida Republicans' presidential straw poll. And they followed debate performances and controversies that soured many conservative Republicans on Perry.
"It's not so much what Cain did but what Perry did," said Tom Jensen, director of the Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling. "Conservative voters are really souring on Perry and looking for somebody else to support."
Many Republicans, for example, dislike the fact that Perry signed a bill giving many illegal immigrants in-state tuition at Texas colleges.
"Not only has he endorsed that, but he's been bragging about it," said Bucky Sutton, a retired Rock Hill voter who has been to see Perry and Cain.
Cain, the former chairman and CEO of Godfather's Pizza, appears to be picking up much of that support.
He's popular with tea partyers and social conservatives. He prides himself on not being a politician or being politically correct. He's pushing a "9-9-9" plan to enact a 9 percent flat tax on business, a 9 percent tax on personal income and a 9 percent national sales tax.
"First, he's talking about a flat tax," said Belk, of Winthrop. "Then I think that his background as a minister helps him with social conservatives within the party. He speaks their language. And he makes a point of telling them he shares their socially conservative values."
In an opinion piece Tuesday on Fox News, Cain acknowledged his rising visibility.
"Even though the Cain Train is picking up steam ... many in the mainstream media still haven't given me a shot," he wrote. "Fortunately, more have started to take note."
Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/05/2439419/herman-cain-leads-gop-field-in.html#ixzz1Zx5mC0jX
You acted as though I insulted YOU. Oh wait, it seems you think I insulted you and Mr. Cain. Well, fine.
I said what I think about Cain and I stand by it. Have you seen the remarks that are made about other candidates around here? What I wrote is a love letter compared to the various smears on various others. Are you telling me that Cain will now be above any critique now that Palin has said she will not run?
In Perry’s defense, most Americans are too uninformed to understand the in-state tuition issue. But he certainly could have handled it much better.
Yes, you insulted me. You said, in so many words, that in supporting Cain I’m supporting an Obama-clone. As I said before, what that boils down to is you telling me I’m too stupid to discern an Obama-clone when I see one. Iow, if only stupid FW would just listen to smart LE, maybe I could get a clue.
Look, I don’t care how often you insult me, or in what way/degree. Insult me all night and all tomorrow, if you wish. All I’m saying is that it’s unpersuasive. It’s an approach that could be labeled, ‘How to hack off friends and make enemies’. It may be satisfying, but unless your goal is to harden support for Cain—and make people less inclined to consider alternatives—you’re failing beyond belief.
Again, it’s your choice. My feelings are not hurt. You can call me twice or three times as stupid as you already have, and it won’t bother me a bit. It won’t help your cause either, but that seems either incomprehensible or irrelevant to you.
“I don’t understand the vitriol against Cain coming from some Freepers. “
I do. For EVERY SINGLE conservative candidate, you have venom-spewers. Either some conservative is just not uber-uber-uber-conservative enough, or there is some issue that they just HAVE to hate the candidate over. Perry, Santorum, Gingrich, Bachmann, and now Cain all get the brickbats.
It’s kind of silly when you consider that if its not one of the above, its Romney who will get nominated.
That’s why the best retort is to ask: Who are you FOR?
“All I said was the mere fact that that word was there was ‘insensitive.’” Cain responded. “That’s not playing the race card. I am not attacking Gov. Perry. Some people in the media want to attack him. I’m done with that issue!”
Herman Cain lied. Here are Cain’s actual quotes:
1. And since Governor Perry has been going there for years to hunt, I think that shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and rename the place. It’s just a basic case of insensitivity.”
2. “For him to leave it there as long as he did before I hear that they finally painted over it is just plain insensitive to a lot of black people in this country,” Cain said.
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He jumped on Perry and pulled the race card to advance himself, then when even Perry’s own critics defended him, Cain tried to back paddle and clean it up.
Too late. He showed himself.
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That's where you are wrong . Americans understand too well----the problem is the "morally superior" Perry crowd looking down their noses at Americans who disagree.
The kicker was Perry berating Americans, inferring they are second-class citizens b/c they disagree with him.
Those who aspire to, and respect, the nation's highest office do not go into a televised debate unprepared. (Like we need more proof of Perry's contempt for Americans and the electoral system.)
Bottom line: We don't want four years of Perry's strut and swagger.
Totally agree. Some of the comments from the pro-Perry camp are really strange.
Actually that is something about the pro-Perry camp that I do not understand. Rather than focus on their preferred candidate's policies and their pertinent strengths (and the weaknesses of the other candidates policies as compared to those of their preferred candidate), what they do is engage in blind vitriol and attacks. It is truly puzzling. The only one who is sticking to issues is Shield, but the rest (such as Cincinatus' Wife and particularly La Enchiladita, all copied as per proper decorum) have been truly 'interesting'). I understand from one FReeper that Cincinatus' Wife even got a warning from J.R. (which is rare enough to be almost an honor)! I do not comprehend what is so difficult in concentrating on YOUR candidate's policies and why they are directly pertinent to the well being of the great nation that is the USA, rather than calling people 'low lifes' like one of them called a FReeper in this very thread. It is absolutely ridiculous, and to be honest not a very wise strategy because it casts their preferred candidate (in this case Perry) in a rather negative light.
Actually, in another thread yesterday I even postulated that Cincinatus' Wife may actually be an anti-Perry candidate based on how she was approaching his advocacy and the reaction FReepers were having to her approach. (I have included that post below). I honestly think Perry advocates should focus on his policies and how they are better than those of other candidates, rather than wondering 'what sort of person' would vote for Cain or that another poster 'sounds like a teenage girl with a crush.' That is highly condescending, tantamount to talking down to a child, and (believe it or not) most FReepers are not children and do not prefer to be treated as such. As an example, just filter La Enchiladita's comments on this one thread and wonder how long a person who just joined FR today would be allowed to make such posts to other FReepers without getting zotted? Their life expectancy would be less than 10 minutes.
This actually reminds me of that fable of the competition between the Sun and the North Wind on who could make a traveller take of his clothes. The North Wind blew hard and cold, and continued to blow harder and colder, but all the man did is pull his coat tighter around him and keep on walking. When the Sun's turn came all it did was smile and smile and smile broader, and eventually it got so warm that he took off his coat. The moral of this kid's tale ...simply that attacks may not work as well as other forms of persuasion. Interestingly, when people are calling others idiots or teenage girls having crushes, all it does is make those 'idiots' and 'blushing teenagers' act more 'idiotic' and 'lovestruck' and support that 'hopeless' candidate (sarcasm intended). In essence, the insulting pro-Perry camp become the strongest anti-Perry advocates as well as being one of the strongest pro-Cain campaigners on FR. Which is so obvious that it makes one wonder whether that is their intention? Seriously - how do you garner support for your candidate by insulting people?
Anyways, here is the post I made yesterday in regards to another pro-Perry supporter (or, if my theory is correct, anti-Perry supporter):
I actually have a working theory that Cincinatus' Wife is actually an anti-Perry campaigner. She has almost single handedly turned a certain section of FR against Perry by a) a deluge of quasi propaganda and b) refusing to respond to simple questions about Perry (and an acerbic riposte that avoids the question is NOT a response). Which makes people wonder a lot about the candidate, and brings negative attention to him. There is a saying from my country of birth that says 'a good thing sells itself because it is obvious to all and sundry that it is good, but a bad thing has to aggressively push itself down peoples' throats because it would not be bought otherwise' (kizuri chajiuza, kibaya chajitembeza). Perry's people have been pushing him a tad too aggressively, at certain times seeming like a weird amalgamation of an old school snakeoil salesman and a mid 60s Soviet propagandist. Huge turn off. And whenever someone asks hard questions one of them on another thread (I am not sure if it was C's Wife) actually brought her gender into the debate (I am a woman). Geez. Highly liberal tactics.
On this thread C's Wife said Perry is better than Palin. I am surprised no one has yet asked for her to explain why that is the case.
Anyways, putting it all togetherId surmise that C's Wife is actually, incognito, an anti-Perry advocate. Trying to build up tacit revulsion against Perry through her tactics. Like driving a Ford Explorer fitted with Firestone tires down a ravine in 1999-2000 to show how 'safe' things are. Negative attention. If I was heading Perry's campaign I would send a polite message asking for the 'assistance' to stop. Some 'assistance' can be a hindrance, and it is not for nothing that a good number of FReepers consider Perry as much a RINO (albeit with a slightly smaller horn) as Romney
Ya know, a certain Duncan Hunter uber fan had the same effect on people with all his rabid Hunter posts. People began to make fun of Hunter when, in actuality, they really liked his ideals before all crazy posts.
Doesn’t it bother anyone that he reached so far to allege that Rick Perry is a bigot, that he called both Romney and Perry “vanilla” politicians, in essence that he is race-baiting?Here's a Quarter, go buy a thicker skin.
Bachmann and Santorum have proven that they stand by their Christian beliefs and are not heretics and do not heretically separate what say they believe from what they practice in their lives. Hence they are to be feared by the secularists...the public schooled who have been indoctrinated into atheism while putting up their facade of being religious...who have been conditioned to believe they truly can actively participate in a world of evil, so as to not offend the open atheistic secularists. These people are of the mindset, if you don't like atheistic secularism, don't be one in private but it is our obligation to have an atheistic secularist society and culture. They really do believe their own religion is oppressive. They don't see the oppression of atheistic secularism on the religious because they are not truly religious - they have been indoctrinated.
Whether Herman Cain is truly religious or not remains to be seen, in the public arena of voting and policy. I know he is not particularly worldly regarding religion but that is neither here nor there...a simple faith is the best kind anyhow. This is good for him, because if he had a proven record of religious practice in public, he would be despised already, by much of the population of the this nation. The doubt on his religious conviction is why he is allowed to surge.
We, as a nation, in practice and in belief, are atheistic secularists...we just like to pretend we are a moral nation...that lie makes us feel good about ourselves. In truth, we have in government public policy instituted atheism and the private sector is following through very closely behind.
Abortion, euthanasia, infanticide, healthcare rationing, assisted-suicide, eugenics, same-sex marriage, encouraged divorce, exclusion of faith based organizations from all public life and so many more...how much more atheistic in practice could this nation get? I'll tell you...depopulation, killing of the resistance to the atheistic socialism. We now have very little morality, religion, and tradition...not much to stand in the way of killing off much of the world's population.
Just like the 70 million killed by atheistic under Mao Tse Tung, or the 11 million killed by atheistic under the Nazis, or the 61 million killed by the atheistic under Stalin, or the atheistic under Pol Pot killing 6 million and on and on. In 1982 the atheistic Weather Underground planned to kill at least 25 million Americans who resisted the re-education into atheistic socialism. Well, our atheistic secularist public schools have accomplished atheistic secularism for most of our population.
We are to the point, now, that the elite...the one world government elite, are ready to do just that - depopulate the world. They have sold their souls to the Deceiver, in a belief that they will be able to buy a new one with the riches they have been promised.
God will not let it come to fulfillment, but many will suffer in the leadup to and in chastisement. It would be wonderful if we could make the right choices so as to minimize the devastation. Much of the world, as it stands now, will be wiped out completely. Our country is sure to be a main focus of that with our spreading of the Satanic practice of sacrificing our pre-born and just born children throughout the whole world under this Democratic (atheistic socialist) Party Administration. Not that the Democrats are the only ones participating, because knowingly they are not. The Bush's participated. Perry and Romney and Gingrich participate.
On one hand we want the Lord to hurry up and come, but on the other hand we want His Mercy to be great and save us all. He wants to save us all, no denying that. Unfortunately, many will still not turn to Him even after He shows us His Mercy. The whole world will soon stand before Him for an instance as if they had died - they will know what death feels like - the state of their souls.
“Bachmann and Santorum have proven that they stand by their Christian beliefs and are not heretics and do not heretically separate what say they believe from what they practice in their lives.”
Agreed. Both have been without question in their public life.
“Whether Herman Cain is truly religious or not remains to be seen, in the public arena of voting and policy.”
In his personal life and public statements, he has been solid. He’s rejected gay marriage and abortion, probably the two most important issues.
I have the same concerns as you, but everything I’ve seen suggests that Cain is solid on these issues, no less so than Bachmann or Santorum.
Anyways, blessings to you.
” Bottom line: We don’t want four years of Perry’s strut and swagger. “
Strut on outta heah, Mr. Perry......
In Perry’s defense........most Americans are too uninformed to understand the in-state tuition issue....*** That's where you are wrong . Americans understand too well----the problem is the "morally superior" Perry crowd looking down their noses at Americans who disagree. ***
Exactly Liz, Americans understand all too well. Like 'Us Stuk Hear In Ill-ear-noise'.
A few years ago we had in-state tuition for illegals JAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS! It was a joint effort of the Daley Machine Puppets, IL House Speaker Mike Madigan and his Puppets (Madigan is now King of IL), the IL GOP RINOs (who Karl Rove controlled like puppets starting in 2000), and what is called 'The IL Combine' -- Crooks of both parties who work hand-in-hand to make money no matter which party is in office.
As such, no Texan is gonna tell me how in-state tuition for illegals is a 'Good Thing' for the community or the state at large because: I'm There Cowboy! And if you think it is good, well, you've been out on the range too long, and you need your head examined. It is a complete and utter DISASTER! It's a drain on the State College System and EVERY related state program's budget including ones like 'food stamps' for which 'poor students' qualify, or for 'Dependant assistance' said student may have (kids, for those Rio Hondo /s).
So, DON'T, pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.
And the Amante de LaRaza, Señor Rick Perry doubling down on this issue over and over just shows me he's not only obstinate, but dumber than Obama. And that Perry deserved every rotten, stinking, embarrassing grade he got in that stellar college of higher learning he attended. Simply put, the guy's a moron.
That is all. (for now. grrrrrrrr)
(kids, for those Rio Hondo /s)should be: (kids, for those in Rio Hondo /s)
My utmost apologies to those I was trying to offend.
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I hear Perry even flunked the Texas A&M course in "Poultry Feed."
LOL, didn't hear about that.
But, that 'C' he got in PE (Gym) made me do a WTF?!? No MAN should get less than a B in PE. Like they may lack upper body (arm) strength(1) but all else is A-Okay.
(1) Example: Can only do 25 Push-Ups instead of 30, or 15 Pull-Ups instead of 20.
(Pull-Ups are harder than Chin-Ups)
Guys, grow up. Cain has no chance of winning the nomination. Perry’s supporters told me so.
What an interesting point you make, regarding Cincinnatus’ Wife’s intentions...or at least the resultant position people have on her product, Perry.
“I know he is not particularly worldly regarding religion but that is neither here nor there...a simple faith is the best kind anyhow.”
He’s a Baptist minister and has a Gospel album out :-)
That is entirely untrue. Americans do understand it and vehemently disagree with it.
Federal law prohibits giving taxpayer subsidized instate tuition to ILLEGAL aliens if that same taxpayer funded instate tuition is not available to American citizens. Perry and the state of Texas found a way around that law by making the requirement 3-years of high school and not residency within the state. So he not only advocates spending taxpayer dollars on ILLEGALs he and the Texas legislature circumvented federal law to do so.
Americans understand this issue all too well. And that is part of the reason why one time supporters are abandoning him in droves.
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