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Rick Perry Support Weakening
ThirdAgeMedia ^ | October 2, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 10/02/2011 1:10:08 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion

Support for presidential hopeful Rick Perry is weakening with the Texas governor now in third place, a poll of conservative voters in Iowa indicates.

The poll, released Thursday by the American Research Group, had Perry in third with 14 percent of the vote, behind former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 21 percent and U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., at 15 percent, UPI.com reported.

"When Perry came in, a lot of people were leaning [toward] Perry or at least looking at him very hard," Bob Vander Plaats, the head of Family Leader, socially conservative umbrella organization, told The Hill, a Washington publication.

"The first three issues he addressed were HPV, the DREAM Act and the border fence," said former Iowa Republican Party Political Director Craig Robinson. "That shows how damaging these debates have been to Perry. He's explaining and he hasn't done a very good job of it."

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To: mikhailovich

That “tough Texan” stuff is getting really old.

Your tough Texan was beat in the second debate by A GIRL. She wiped the floor with him and he stood there like a deer in the headlights (although I will avoid any reference to bad taste names of deer hunting ranges).

Every Texan who writes here seems to think that if you don’t just adore Perry, you’re sitting in a Manhattan townhouse, screening a Woody Allen movie while dining on a menu that would make DSK blush and wondering where Mitt Romney buys his hairspray.

Get some degree of reality, will ya?


81 posted on 10/03/2011 4:19:08 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Liz

The truth is that we don’t have to figure out who’s side he is on.

Some of the others running or not running, we have no clarity on.

I won’t vote for a person who puts citizens of other countries before the safety and financial well being of legal American citizens.

They are entitled to nothing from us. They have a country and they can go back and fix wherever they came from rather than leeching off the American citizens.

That is not to say they are all bad people, but we have our own that need looking after first.


82 posted on 10/03/2011 4:29:38 AM PDT by dforest
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To: af_vet_rr
Please permit me to commend you for your tolerance and compassion (sniffle).

AS YOU POSTED: It's just not fair to judge Perry on just a soundbite or two. Apparently, Perry gave a great speech when he sucked up to La Raza at its national conference last year...Perry even got applause when he spoke out against Arizona-style legislation WRT illegals....

At a 2001 "border summit," Perry was all puckered up, sucking up again----to Mexico. Perry advanced a “bi-national health insurance” program that would cover both US and Mexican residents along the border....including the savage Zeta gangs setting up drug cartels in Dallas.

Perry praised a “unified,” trans-national health care program. and was ready, willing and eager to pour US dollars on illegals violating US borders.....including the savage Zetas in Dallas, and those on the border plotting against the US.

Vicente Fox later praised the Texas in-state tuition decision and thanked Perry for giving immigrants access to American schools.

83 posted on 10/03/2011 4:30:51 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: indylindy
Perry's lack of understanding that actions have consequences is troubling. The "liberal disease" I call it. Every little thing we do has an equal and opposite reaction.

Perry's grand design-----using state political power to benefit lawbreakers----- flopped on the ntl stage.

For Perry--the chickens have come home to roost. God knows what he planned to do with federal power.

84 posted on 10/03/2011 4:39:59 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Grey Eagle

If this had been true, doesn’t anyone think it would have come up in previous political campaigns? It stinks that conservatives/republican can jump on that damn worm the libs are dangling. Yep, they got “us” pegged.


85 posted on 10/03/2011 6:33:25 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: miss marmelstein; mikhailovich; Liz

Well, I am a Texan and he is NOT my candidate.. and I know of a few other Texans on here who also don’t support him.


86 posted on 10/03/2011 7:20:58 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: Liz
that Perry was on the national stage now---that he was not speaking to Texans anymore.

That is an important distinction Liz.... as there is a cloud over Texans in how they discern the times and their state in relationship to the rest of our nation. On one hand they clammor for more federal assistance for the border but are dillusional in believing they can control the infilitration.... When in fact the 'Perry policies' has created and enabled the out of control border they are now contending with....they want it both ways...too late...and they will in no time be also dealing with their muslim population in ways they never anticipated.... Denial is working against them in every way....though they see the problem now...they refuse to accept common sense solutions and that they are part of the problem.

87 posted on 10/03/2011 7:33:18 AM PDT by caww
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To: Gritty; ken21
my wife and i thought we’d found our candidate Same here. .... ken21

After stumbling performances in the first two debates and his appalling "heartless" answer in the third, my wife and I simultaneously turned to each other and said, "He's toast!". We thought at first Perry was the seasoned, tough conservative governor who could knock Romney and Obama off and have enough vision and drive to dismantle the Liberal juggernaut and steer America back onto course again. He has become a huge disappointment. .... Gritty

As I have posted on other threads, Perry became soft and lazy in regards to campaign preparations while Governor of Texas. His opponents were too weak, he did not have to try very hard to get reelected and he even blew off debates altogether leaving his opponents to debate without him. Yet, he still got reelected.

Perry was still lazy in the Presidential campaign, probably overconfident with his lead in the polls, and I read that he had declined to engage in any special debate prep before the last debate or, more accurately, the latest "30 Second Sound Bite & Gotcha Contest".

In the last debate, it was all "Attack Perry!, Attack Perry!" and the unprepared Perry faltered. He uttered "heartless" so, "He's toast!".

So, the slick talker, Mitt Romney has risen to the top of the polls.

But, what about the new conservative darling, Cain?

As Sarah said in her Greta interview, the media puffs a particular candidate up only to set him up to shoot him down later. Now that Cain is on the radar screen, he will be the next target. Imagine how Cain would do if he were under constant attack and he were held to the unforgiving standards that Perry was held to. "He said heartless. He's toast!"

It seems that many FReepers feel very strongly about the "gay soldier" debate episode:

Obama rebukes GOP candidates for not speaking up for gay soldier

Many FReepers really let Obama have it on that thread.

Well, guess who thinks Obama was right and you were wrong:

Cain Agrees With Obama on Gay Soldier's Booing

In the article, Cain says that "Well, the thing that’s being overlooked is that, in the heat of a debate, when you have exactly 60 seconds to answer any question" and that he "should have responded to the booing, particularly if it was directed toward someone serving the country."

I am not arguing for or against the "gay soldier" incident. What I am pointing out is that, if Perry had said ANYTHING, "in the heat of a debate, when you have exactly 60 seconds to answer any question" against the booing, Perry would have been ripped apart as "pro-homosexual agenda" by those who are looking for any excuse and every excuse to rip him apart.

Perry, as someone that has actually governed for 11 years, actually HAS a record. Due to his lazy campaign prep, he has been very inarticulate in defending it. (He needs to change that or die politically in the race.)

Cain, on the other hand, has NO record and campaigns on the basis of attacks and pandering: Whatever Cain thinks that people want to hear, that is what he says.

If a hunting camp had a racist name before Perry was born and Perry's father painted over that name on a rock years ago after leasing it, if the Race Card is what Cain thinks that people want hear, the Race Card is thrown out by Cain:

Cain: Name of Perry's Hunting Camp 'Insulting' to Blacks

What about "hard issues"?

Cain throws out pro-Israel tough talk because conservatives want to hear it Cain but had not even studied the subject deeply enough to know what "Palestinian right of return" meant.(The "Palestinian right of return" is a term used by the Palestinians to signify the long-held Palestinian demand that ALL DESCENDENTS of 1948 Palestinians had a right to return to Israel which, of course, would mean the automatic death of Israel. That "Poison Pill" has been around for decades.)

Yet, although crucial to understanding the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, the uniformed Cain first heard the term in a FOX News interview:

"Where do you stand on the right of return?" asked Wallace. ... "The right of return? [pause] The right of return?" asked Cain. ... Wallace then offered more information, "The Palestinian right of return."

After being told it was about Palestinians returning, still clueless about the long and complex history of that Palestinian position, Cain declared he was "for it".

Cain is all red meat and no substance.

VIDEO: Herman Cain thinks Palestinians entitled to right of return

The winner in all this has been Mitt Romney.

Maybe that was the Romney/Cain game plan all along.

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Herman Cain in 2011

Herman Cain said Wednesday that he would be unable to support Rick Perry for president if the Texas governor were to eventually win the party's nomination. .... The former businessman said, for instance, that he could support former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney....

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Herman Cain in 2008

HERMAN CAIN'S ENDORSEMENT OF MITT ROMNEY PUBLISHED IN THE ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION PRIOR TO SUPER TUESDAY, 2008

Romney has the leadership qualities United States needs,

By HERMAN CAIN

Published on: 02/03/08

The dynamics of political party connections, the political process itself and public perceptions have once again yielded the top two contenders of each major party in the 2008 presidential race. And once again, the public can only hope that the ultimate winner of the White House will be a candidate with the most leadership substance.

My vote is for Mitt Romney.

History is important, but the future is more important. The success of this country in the future will be shaped by the leadership abilities of the next president.

Our success will not be based on pandering to uninformed voters, promising emotional quick fixes over common sense or nitpicking of opponents' past records. Success will come from focusing on the right problems and solving them. That will mean making tough decisions about some problems that have been with us for decades. It will also mean taking a tough stand on new problems and challenges.

That's what leaders do.

Mitt Romney has done that as a chief executive officer in business, as a governor and as head of the U.S. Olympics. He has done so while balancing political consequences but not compromising fundamental principles of the founding of this country or free-market economics. We have prospered as a nation by strengthening those principles; we will not remain strong if we allow those principles to become diluted with a lack of leadership.

Anyone who wishes to find a reason not to vote for Romney can find one. But the reasons to vote for him are far more compelling. He has successfully managed a real business with other people's money and some of his own. He has balanced budgets. He successfully led a turnaround situation with the Olympics. And he has spent more of his career outside government than inside.

On the other hand, John McCain has spent more of his career inside government than outside, and the reasons not to vote for him as the Republican nominee are very compelling.

He voted against letting people keep more of their money in 2001 and 2003 when President Bush pushed through his tax cuts. He has been part of the escalation of the federal debt during his 20-plus years in the U.S. Senate. He showed questionable leadership on a failed immigration bill. And he showed no leadership by failing to support the president's efforts to establish personal retirement accounts — a proposal that would have started to fix the coming financial train wreck in the Social Security system.

That's not leadership.

I do not question the character, integrity or sincerity of either Mitt Romney or John McCain, nor do I question their desire to do what's best for the country. I do not worry that they would fan the flames of social and religious differences. My focus is on their prospective leadership relative to national security, the economy, federal spending, free-market health care solutions and the elimination of dysfunctional programs.

Mitt Romney's history is more indicative of the substance needed to make major progress on critical issues, and not just to make more politically palatable incremental changes in Washington.

Media momentum and campaign funding aside, there are several other Republican candidates who would not cause me to worry about our grandchildren's future. The two leading Democratic presidential candidates, however, cause me great concern because of their severe lack of leadership substance and their policy proposals.

This is despite Barack Obama's appeal and strong public perception but entirely consistent with Hillary Clinton's self-proclaimed but quite invisible experience.

Great leaders are born, and good leaders keep working on it. We are not favored with an obvious great leader in the 2008 race, as is apparent from the primary process and the results thus far.

But Mitt Romney's leadership credentials offer the best hope of a leader with substance, and the best hope for a good president who could turn out to be great.

88 posted on 10/03/2011 7:49:08 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama should be Priority Number One)
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To: Grey Eagle
not everyone is a good debater

It isn't Perry's debating skills that are on the line here...'it's his policies' toward our nations illegal alien issues... which he cannot defend to a nation who see clearly the problems of and associated with illegals...and "others" as a threat to our national security. Perry and the Texans who are supporting him created the mess and now they are screaming from the fallout of their decisions made to accomodate, recruit and enable the infilitration in your state. Close your border...arm the men guarding it to shoot and clean up the mess!

89 posted on 10/03/2011 7:55:34 AM PDT by caww
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To: Fantasywriter

LOL...what, do you live in Maine or something? There are still towns in Texas called things Dead Negro Draw. A nigger-head is a flower prevalent in Texas. Lots of rock outcroppings are called niggerheads to this day.

Life ain’t PC.


90 posted on 10/03/2011 7:59:25 AM PDT by magritte
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To: BarnacleCenturion
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

Cherry picking obscure and meaningless polls won't help your losing candidate. The real America speaks through RCP averages. And Perry has slipped to a 3 point lead on Romney and is still in the #1 position. (Palin is no longer even mentioned)

Oh, and Bachmann has a pitiful 5% to Perry's 26%. Bachmann not only has zero executive experience, she will be forced to drop out soon because her campaign funds are rapidly dwindling. She has also offended too many people to get a VP spot on top of it.

91 posted on 10/03/2011 8:00:18 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: iowamark

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

Not even close!


92 posted on 10/03/2011 8:01:44 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Liz
Perry's campaign was on the brink of oblivion and news about the Perry ranch name pushed it over the brink into Never-Never Land.

The Perry "RANCH"?

FALSE!

Did you fall for The Race Card or do you just like to throw The Race Card out yourself?

See Post 88.

The land in question was NEVER a "Perry RANCH". The Perrys have NEVER owned that land and NEVER gave that land that name.

That land was named years ago, by NOBODY in Perry's family, maybe sometime in the 1800's, before Perry was ever born.

In several English-speaking countries, Ni##erhead or ni##er head is a former name for several things thought to resemble a black person's head. ..... The term was once widely used for all sorts of things, including products such as soap and chewing tobacco, but most often for geographic features such as hills and rocks. In the U.S., more than hundred "Ni##erheads" and other place names now considered racially offensive were changed in 1962 by the U.S. Board on Geographic Names, but many local names remained unchanged .... Ni##er Head, an island in North Queensland, Australia ..... Ni##erhead hunting camp, the former name of a hunting camp of Texas governor Rick Perry, renamed to "North Camp Pasture".

Years ago, maybe even in the 1800's, that name was carved on a rock. Years ago, Perry's FATHER LEASED that land as hunting land and PAINTED OVER that old name that had been carved on a rock who knows when, maybe a hundred years ago.

Now, people like you, are SPREADING FALSE AGITPROP that the named belonged to a "Perry RANCH".

Then, some FReepers wonder how liberal Mitt Romney could possibly be leading in the GOP polls.

93 posted on 10/03/2011 8:18:58 AM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama should be Priority Number One)
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To: magritte

Well you won me over to Perry’s side. Insulting me is all it took. Who knew it was so easy.

Seriously, I don’t understand Perry’s supporters. They seem unable to post w’out insulting fellow conservatives. Do you honestly think that insulting people inclines them more favorably to your candidate?

[Awaiting your aggressive, insulting reply. I know it’s coming. Perry’s supporters are one trick ponies. Just insult anybody they perceive to be a non-Perry supporter, pretty much describes what I’ve seen on these threads.]


94 posted on 10/03/2011 1:49:34 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

This is your non-nonsensical original comment:

“This has got to be some kind of viral joke. Nobody names their ranch that. Nobody.”

Anybody that who say something this dense can’t be from the South or Texas, where such things were commonplace 30 years ago and still survive to this day. Insulting? I guess if you’re some milquetoast from a sheltered area of the country.

Sorry if this insults you. I haven’t lead the same sheltered life as you, apparently.


95 posted on 10/03/2011 2:01:51 PM PDT by magritte
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To: magritte

You get a prize. Even among relentlessly, knee-jerk insulting Perry supporters you distinguished yourself. Perry attracts some of the rudest people on FR. Every time they post, I like him less.


96 posted on 10/03/2011 2:05:10 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

You’ve got seriously thin skin. You wouldn’t last for 5 minutes where I come from.

Enjoy your ivory tower !


97 posted on 10/03/2011 2:10:52 PM PDT by magritte
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To: magritte

Have you ever heard the term, ‘how to win friends and influence enemies,’?

It’s the key to success.

Perry’s supporters’ motto appears to be, ‘how to insult and irritate anybody who may not be on Perry’s bandwagon’.

It’s the key to failure.

Here is a serious suggestion. Contact somebody in Perry’s campaign. Say, ‘I’m insulting and hacking off fellow conservatives as fast as I can, but I don’t seem to be winning them over to Perry’s side. What should I do?’


98 posted on 10/03/2011 2:14:28 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

Lol...sure. Who’s your current candidate of choice, if any?


99 posted on 10/03/2011 2:16:25 PM PDT by magritte
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To: magritte

Why should I tell you? So you can load your ack-ack gun w a whole new magazine of insults?


100 posted on 10/03/2011 2:20:36 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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