Posted on 09/25/2011 10:37:58 AM PDT by Clairity
In this week's GOP Presidential debate, Governor Mitt Romney and Senator Rick Santorum both repeated untruths about Governor Rick Perry's immigration position. It is time to set the record straight.
First let me say, I've not endorsed a candidate and though I've predicted a Perry win in 2012, it is not based on a personal desire, but rather the assessment of all the data that I believe the general election race will be dependent on. I did the same thing in 2006, predicting a Barack Obama win, but by no means endorsing his candidacy.
Second let me also say, this week's debate performance by Governor Rick Perry was bizarre and seemed to run out of complete steam in the final thirty minutes. In fact I was so curious as to the Governor's performance down the stretch I inquired to the Perry campaign to see if the Governor had taken ill, or had some other medical issue arise in the final half hour.
But on Thursday evening it did become clear that the GOP opponents intend to rhetorically bloody Governor Perry as best they can until they begin to be eliminated from the race.
In the debate, Chris Wallace asked a direct question to Mitt Romney regarding the in-state tuition rates of children who live in the state, but happen to have parents who came here illegally.
Mitt Romney replied, "I don't see how it is that a state like Texas--to go to the University of Texas--if you're an illegal alien--you get an in-state tuition discount. D'you know how much that is? It's twenty-two thousand dollars a year. Four years of college you're almost a hundred thousand dollar discount if you're an illegal alien--if you go to the University of Texas. If you're a United States citizen, from any one of the other forty-nine states, you have to pay a hundred thousand dollars more. That doesn't make sense to me. And that kind of magnet, draws people into this country, to get that education, to get that kind of hundred thousand dollar break, it makes no sense..."
I was disappointed that Chris Wallace didn't stop him and make him answer the question he had actually asked him.
Maybe Mitt Romney doesn't realize that many children of illegal aliens aren't illegals themselves. And as long as birth-rite citizenship is the law, anchor babies are protected under the law with equal benefits to all other American citizens.
Maybe Mitt Romney doesn't realize that nearly all of the rest of children of illegals had no choice in whether to live in Texas or not. If they were brought there by parents who were illegal--how is that the child's fault? Is Romney ready to charge those children with crimes? Mass deportations? Even Romney has not pledged to go that far.
Maybe Mitt Romney somehow missed the point that Governor Perry's problem is one that the Federal Government created for him. By refusing to enforce current immigration law, the Obama administration has made life for border states unbelievably difficult. And in some cases the Federal Government is even attempting to choke out state's rights to react to border issues in any way whatsoever.
Maybe Mitt Romney is completely ignorant of what the reality of dealing with the border actually means--in real terms. Gov. Perry had to raise $400 million in state taxes to attempt to shore up the border and do the job that the Feds should be doing.
Or maybe Governor Romney believes he doesn't need any votes from legal Hispanics and legal immigrants who are wrestling with the real issue of being in a position where their family's future is in question.
But to set the record straight, it was the state of Texas, and most specifically its lawfully elected legislature that drafted the legislation and passed it with only 4 votes of 181 possible to vote against it. Yes, Governor Perry signed it into law, but it was a definitively bi-partisan initiative that the people of Texas clearly wanted to see become law.
Additionally, Governor Perry has actual compassion for these children who ended up in his state, outside of their own doing. Educating them gets them working and contributing to the state's treasury faster, and is more meaningful than letting them sit on the sidelines.
And despite what the unusually angry Rick Santorum offered, all the legislation did was allow those children (NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS AT LARGE) to get the same "starting point" in state institutions that all of their classmates got. The stupid argument that Romney and Santorum grew red-faced and spittle-spewing over didn't seem to hold true against Texas where non-Texan students would have to pay $88,000 more than other Texas-raised children. And states discriminate that way against other children from other regions of the country--all the time.
President Obama will need to re-energize the American Hispanic vote in order for him to win re-election. They had left him on the economy, and they were never with him on his values. But Mitt Romney--who vows allegiance to a church that had at its core a racist doctrine until only a couple of decades ago--is verging on alienating other ethnic groups, in part because he is not telling the truth about the Texas legislature's law to allow children (not illegal aliens who crossed the border--the children of) to simply pay the same amount of tuition as the kids they sit next to in class.
In short Perry knows this problem intimately. And it will be a cold day in Hades before he ever signs a federal version of the DREAM Act. He believes in fencing, technology, state's rights, and workplace incentives.
Which more or less means he believes in the same enforcement techniques as all the rest of the GOP field.
And for Santorum and Romney to pretend otherwise is sanctimonious and dishonest.
You can’t fence 1200 miles. Perry believes in fencing in urban areas, not rural areas. Big difference. You stated that tough immigration bills got stuck in Committee. So how is that the fault of Perry. He can’t do anything until it is actually out there to be voted on. If you are from TX as I am, then you know that it wouldn’t matter what the State did on Houston, they would simply ignore it.
He did fine in the first two debates and blew one. But if you are that concerned about debating skills you could support Mitt Romney who is an experienced polished debater.
Thank Mom, but I have read HB 1403 and am aware that seeking 'legal status' is required. It would seem Perry has no idea what is in the bill he signed as he himself has said the ILLEGAL aliens wanting instate tuition must be pursuing citizenship in the state of Texas.
“In the state of Texas, if you've been in the state of Texas for three years, if you're working towards your college degree, and if you are working and pursuing citizenship in the state of Texas, you pay in-state tuition there,” said Perry.
As for my post, I was responding to a similar erroneous statement by this poster asserting the same line that the ILLEGAL aliens must be seeking "citizenship".
I see this lie repeated many times at FR but understand that if Perry himself says it his followers are likely to follow suit.
Better do your homework.
Maybe not. Obama has to have a teleprompter to talk to an elementary class. Not everyone is a strong debater.
The truth is that his reasoning behind it has to do with progressive emotional thinking, not any sort of logic as you are trying to use. Otherwise, Perry’s naming his opponents as “Heartless” does not fit.
Illegals cost Texas $4.7 billion
Estimate based on analysis of Census data
Texas’ illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers more than $4.7 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration . . .
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43755
Perry clearly stated he was defending giving benefit to illegal aliens brought to the country as children, not the children of illegal aliens who are citizens. For conservatives, that may be a deal-breaker because it shows Perry is soft on illegal immigration.
Look Pal, I don’t want to get into a long winded pissin contest over all this Immigration thing, but here is the bottom line...... Immigration is a federal matter.
You cant lay all the sins of it at Rick Perrys feet.
I’m not your pal and I don’t give a rat’s ass what you want. If you repeat Perry’s lies I ill call you on it. Don’t like that? Tough.
What Horse ass shit!
You know what buddy?
I dont’ like you and you dont like me
Consider the matter noted.
Are you drunk again? Your last post was incoherent as usual.
I’m not your pal and I’m not your buddy either. And I don’t give a rat’s ass if you like me. As I said, when you lie I will call you on it. If you don’t like that don’t lie.
What did I lie about chum?
“You can’t fence 1200 miles. Perry believes in fencing in urban areas, not rural areas. Big difference. You stated that tough immigration bills got stuck in Committee. So how is that the fault of Perry. He can’t do anything until it is actually out there to be voted on. If you are from TX as I am, then you know that it wouldn’t matter what the State did on Houston, they would simply ignore it.”
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I don’t know what - “He can’t do anything until it is actually out there to be voted on” - means.
If Perry desires a bill have priority he can can work closely with House Speaker Joe Straus to move that bill forward to a vote. If it survives committee hearings.. the speaker can schedule it for a vote. Or he can ignore it. Which is what happened.
The Alaska oil pipeline runs for 800+ miles across frozen semi-solid terrain a LOT tougher than the Texas border and crosses several rivers.
You’re telling me that it’s impossible to build a fence for 1200 miles through desert scrub? .....Are you serious?
I can find some old former East German border guards that will tell you you’re wrong. And they will be happy to
provide detailed plans for a fence that works.
In fact, U.S. citizens who are residents of Oklahoma and Louisiana—or New York or California, or any other state—who legally enter Texas by driving or flying there are not allowed to pay in-state tuition at Texas public college
Posted by South 40 to me out of the blue, and then calling me a drunk.
Gnight chum...
I’ve already posted your lie and you responded to it -- and you still ask that question? You are more incoherent than usual -- did you get a new bottle? You said...
The idea is that if we do shun these kids, who are here “through no fault of their own”, Kids that have demonstrated that they want to excel and who can prove that they are working on citizenship
An ILLEGAL alien cannot apply for citizenship. To say they can or even imply that that they can is a LIE.
Rick Perry lied about it too, so you're in good company.
Got a link to that chump? Or should we just chalk it up as another one of your lies?
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