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As Rick Perry Stumbles, Rick Santorum Rises
IBD's Capital Hill ^ | 9/23/2011 | Ed Carson

Posted on 09/23/2011 8:16:18 AM PDT by Slyscribe

After three debates, the consensus among conservative commentators is that GOP frontrunner Rick Perry is getting worse, not better. That's good news for Mitt Romney, who has been closing the gap with Perry in recent days. Intrade now sees the ex-Massachusetts governor as the most likely Republican nominee.

But it’s also good for Rick Santorum, the former Pennsylvania senator. He now may emerge from the long list of second-tier candidates.

Romney should be an easy target.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bachmann; perry; prolife; ricksantorum; romney; santorum
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To: ken21

The GOP insiders are still hoping for a Christie type to enter as a backup for Mitt, but all the stop-Sarah conservatives they lured into the race or who otherwise got their are falling short. Santorum bizarrely becomes their next best hope.


61 posted on 09/23/2011 9:04:35 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: libstripper

Bottom line: Romney would probably be the better candidate, but, most likely, not the better president. All of that leaves me in the State of Quandary, wanting to see more debates, not planning at this time to give money to any of the candidates before we’ve selected a nominee, not planning to vote early, and definitely planning only to vote on election day.


You are right. Perry would be a much more conservative President than Romney based on their records. Perry sucks at debates though and while I am disappointed with his performance so far I am much more nervous about Romney. It is still far too early to count Perry out though. The media, and many on FR, seem determined to do that today based on the American Idol format of the debates.

If we took today as a snapshot to 2012 we will all be terribly disappointed with a candidate who has more warts than Perry and you know the media will shred Romney like IHOP hashbrowns in the general. Romney will not energize the Tea Party, evangelicals, or Southerners. The GOP can’t win without those three.

Perry needs to stop looking like Fred Thompson fast or the media is going to stick us with Romney! Where is the genuine Romney enthusiasm in the base? It’s not there.


62 posted on 09/23/2011 9:10:37 AM PDT by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: Catsrus
Obama was a dreadful orator. He can barely string a sentence together *with* a teleprompter.

The problem was that too many voters denied the reality that was right in front of their eyes.

63 posted on 09/23/2011 9:11:22 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Slyscribe
After three debates, the consensus among conservative commentators is that GOP frontrunner Rick Perry is getting worse, not better. That's good news for Mitt Romney, who has been closing the gap with Perry in recent days. Intrade now sees the ex-Massachusetts governor as the most likely Republican nominee.

Good grief. Is this really the best the GOP can offer as our country faces economic ruin? It seems incredible that Obama could win election after all of the damage he's done to the nation's economy and financial future but with this assortment of GOP candidates it could happen.
64 posted on 09/23/2011 9:12:48 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: MrEdd
They needed to work on him ten years ago before he accumulated a decade long record of open borders, eminent domain abuse, and crony capitalism.

How has he caused open borders as governor? He can't build a wall as governor. But, as president or anybody as president, would you support a wall being built? If so, do you support the use of eminent domain along the 1900 mile border in order to build said wall?

What eminent domain abuse has he been guilty of? I'm assuming you're referring to the TTC plan, which never took off. But, as mentioned above, if you have issues with eminent domain, how can you support a wall being built on private property?

You call out chrony capitalism. That's an insinuation of a quid pro quo. What evidence do you have that he made law only b/c of a donation or action?

65 posted on 09/23/2011 9:13:22 AM PDT by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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To: Slyscribe

I like Santorum.


66 posted on 09/23/2011 9:19:18 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Slyscribe
At least he is not calling Conservatives heartless.
67 posted on 09/23/2011 9:20:17 AM PDT by org.whodat (so Perry's purchase price starts at $5001.00: and $29,000 , was a sell.)
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To: Slyscribe

I love Rick. If he gets any momentum, I’ll send him some money. I would love to have him over Perry. I thought he got a bum rap in supporting S.P.E.C.T.E.R. over Toomey in the primary. I think as a sitting senator you just don’t try to primary your colleague. It’s very bad form, and you’d never be able to work with him if he won, which the odds would say were likely.


68 posted on 09/23/2011 9:21:46 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: Slyscribe

No thanks. Santorum makes my skin crawl with his holier than though moral ideology.


69 posted on 09/23/2011 9:22:28 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: GOPyouth; MrEdd
How has he caused open borders as governor? He can't build a wall as governor. But, as president or anybody as president, would you support a wall being built? If so, do you support the use of eminent domain along the 1900 mile border in order to build said wall?

The eminent domain point is well taken. I'd also like to know exactly where you put the fence through Texas. The border between Texas and mexico is the Rio Grande. Do we build a wall down the middle? Do we build it along the bank on our side and thereby cede the river to Mexico? Do we invade mexico and build it on their side? How exactly do we build that wall?

70 posted on 09/23/2011 9:23:06 AM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: Slyscribe

This is an important question Romney MUST answer to win. If we don’t ask Obama WILL.

“If you get your own planet (see Mormon beliefs) can you run the country from light years away?”

There are 12 liberal Mormons so Obama won’t worry about offending someone who will vote for him. If Romney really believes in his faith, it’s a serious question


71 posted on 09/23/2011 9:23:23 AM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
LOL, I knew it, the Perrywinkle spin, “ who are you going to believe, me are your own lying eyes and ears. “
72 posted on 09/23/2011 9:24:47 AM PDT by org.whodat (so Perry's purchase price starts at $5001.00: and $29,000 , was a sell.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
LOL, I knew it, the Perrywinkle spin, “ who are you going to believe, me are your own lying eyes and ears. “
73 posted on 09/23/2011 9:25:16 AM PDT by org.whodat (so Perry's purchase price starts at $5001.00: and $29,000 , was a sell.)
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To: Slyscribe
Santorum is who I would vote for if the Primary was today.
Not saying that won't change as I learn more.

He was correct on Afghan/Iraq - Win you go to war your stay until objectives are met and you have victory. Most all the other are on the pull the troops out because it's unpopular politically.

He was correct on Don't ask Don't Tell question

He was only one that correctly challenged Perry on Illegal Immigration

He is the only one correct on abortion rape cases

His goal of manufacturing jobs back to America is a good start

Sometimes he looks frustrated, I think it's more about debate format then issue, he wants to make point but the debate format won't allow it

74 posted on 09/23/2011 9:25:20 AM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: Catsrus
Good heavens, you choose a candidate by a stupid debate? No wonder this country is in trouble. People voted for zero because he was such a great “orator.” Snort, snort.

Thank you for saying what I've been thinking since last night but couldn't find a way to say without sounding excessively belligerent!

OK...Perry wasn't good last night. we all agree. But let's point out that while everyone else was getting puff ball questions from that stupid panel Perry was getting rocked from all sides last night. Romney, Paul, Santorum and Bachmann were on him ALL night. He needs to toughen up and get much better prepared. I'll grant you that...but a President Perry would be more conservative than any post WWII Republican President except for Ronald Reagan. And don't forget Reagan had his own immigration problems!

75 posted on 09/23/2011 9:28:35 AM PDT by pgkdan (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: Slyscribe

Strange how the media tells me what I see and hear isn’t what I see and hear.The media is working hard to get who they want into office,and the ambush starts.


76 posted on 09/23/2011 9:29:21 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Slyscribe
Both Rick's should simply drop out and take Romeny with them.

The three are all Democrat Lite GOP Establishment bots. They are utterly unfit to lead at this time.

We need real, tough leadership and all these three are offering is more of the same.

77 posted on 09/23/2011 9:31:49 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: laweeks
Cain = can’t believe he’d even mention Kookcinich in any form . . . makes me worry

That was Paul, not Cain.

78 posted on 09/23/2011 9:33:36 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: ken21
santorum’s not going anywhere.

Agree. He seems really angry lately, which doesn't help his case.

79 posted on 09/23/2011 9:34:30 AM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: Slyscribe

I like Rick, he did a great job as my Senator.
But he is NOT rising to the top of this pack.


80 posted on 09/23/2011 9:36:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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