Posted on 09/21/2011 3:56:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
“PROVEN LEADERSHIP” – PERRY’S NEW AD: Rick Perry’s campaign is launching an epic new bio spot today. The first 40 seconds attack “PRESIDENT ZERO,” juxtaposing eerie images of national stagnation with footage of Barack Obama taking responsibility for the economy. A tornado siren playing over the president’s voice creates a palpable sense of alarm. The last minute of the web ad introduces Perry as a job creator and veteran who believes America’s best days are ahead, rotating sunny images of the country at its best with footage from the Texas governor’s announcement speech. Lucas Baiano, who produced the spot, has signed on with Perry after working for Tim Pawlenty. Watch it: HERE.
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I don't think so. My observation is that the people in the military are legal citizens or legal permanent residents, so (at least on paper) aren't in the country illegally to begin with. My point is that this group of people is irrelevant to the policy of not inquiring about citizenship before granting in-state tuition in an institution of higher learning.
-- You need to get it, once and for all, that without this law, millions of Hispanics could potentially be investigated, simply because they wanted to attend college, on suspicion of being illegal simply because they are Hispanics --
That "you need to get it once and for all" comes off as a bit hostile. Are you having a bad day already?
I think I understand the effect of the law, and I didn't render any ultimate opinion about it, except that the policy tends to encourage staying in the country illegally. You think encouraging people to stay illegally is a good policy, fine.
As for the Hispanic/racist angle, you are the one raising that. I've had to show evidence of legal residency in order to discern whether or not I would pay in or out of state tuition. It's not a big deal, and it certainly is motivated by racial animus. It just happens that the majority of people in the county illegally, near the southern border, are Hispanic. To say that being against illegal presence in the country is racial animus is a false and frankly, incendiary charge.
As for "investigating millions," all sorts of bureaucratic hurdles are erected "by the million."
-- My point about the vote in the TX legislative bodies is that it was so overwhelming, it proves the support was there for this across the board and it is stupid to pretend that it happened because of Rick Perry supposedly being a RINO. --
That's pretty much what I said. A public policy established by the legislature, is the legislature's doing. I just added the observation that this is true of Romneycare, too.
The ABSOLUELY BEST political ad I’ve EVER seen. GO RICK, GO!!!
“state is endorsing (at least pretending to look the other way) an alien staying in the country illegally.”
correction: state is endorsing a child of an illegal who grew up in the state.
The child who was brought over by his or her illegal parents has committed NO CRIME.
Your hung up on an issue that effects 8K to 12K individual kids who are 18 years old.
THAT is what is stopping you from voting for a good solid Republican that can beat Obama.
I don't think it's a correction, but it's a very reasonable clarification.
-- The child who was brought over by his or her illegal parents has committed NO CRIME. --
I've tried to be careful, saying that the conduct "not being discoruaged," or "encouraged" was illegal presence, and yes, I agree that illegal presence is generally not a crime.
-- Your hung up on an issue that effects 8K to 12K individual kids who are 18 years old. --
I am?
-- THAT is what is stopping you from voting for a good solid Republican that can beat Obama. --
Is that so?
Another exaggeration....or a bit of avoidance technique?
(I’ve read all posts on this thread and you have not answered my question.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
During his time in Congress, Gore was considered a “moderate” (he referred to himself as a “raging moderate”)[45] opposing federal funding of abortion, voting in favor of a bill which supported a moment in silence in schools, and voting against a ban on interstate sales of guns.[46] His position as a moderate (and on policies related to that label) shifted later in life after he became Vice President and ran for president in 2000.[47]
You are not being told you cannot state this. You simply cannot state it as factual, and instead need to state it as your opinion. Only Perry knows how he voted, and it cannot be stated as fact unless he has chimed in. Just the well-established demographic of Reagan Democrats shows that there were many crossovers during that time, so a logical opinion can be made the other way as well. So therefore it stands as opinion, not fact, and any claim of factuality not based by independent, confirmable fact will be pulled if we see it or are notified about it.
If we are to set that impossibly high a threshold here on FR, it will force you and the other AMs to remove an infinite number of posts on an endless number of subjects. I protest I am being unfairly targeted here.
Sorry if you feel that being held to a standard of proveablity of factual claims is too restricting. But the mods do pull threads and posts all the time that put forth false claims, as to prevent their promulgation with FR as the source. So you are not being unfairly targeted.
Your point is correct, with one caveat, you have got your terminology backwards. I lived for over a decade in Texas during the 80's and early 90's, consider myself a 'Texan By Choice', and only returned to Carolina because of family responsibilities. It was the Texans with "non-urban" roots who were conservative democrats. The urban centers in Texas, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and of course, Austin, were decidedly liberal even then.
I am not a Perry supporter. I will vote for him if he is the nominee, with great reluctance and sadness, but no illusions. He has many admirable qualities and is 'generally conservative' in a Rorschach blot sense, into which supporters can easily project their own desires, but in reality he's a stealth Trojan horse asset of the transnational globalist elites.
He is 'good ole boy' smart, and adept at reading the national public mood and tailoring his campaigning approach to take advantage of it, but on the big agenda globalist issues that are going to transform and destroy this country as we have known it, he will, once in office, do their bidding.
That said, Perry opponents who keep harping on the factoid that he was 'once a Democrat' are simply wrong and misguided. It's completely irrelevant to the very real arguments for opposing him now.
Madame, I’m from Tennessee. A lifelong resident, in fact. Gore has been a public figure in my state for 4 decades and his father for 4 before that. I have known that imbecilic, dishonest prima donna since I was in short pants. He was not a raging moderate. He was a left-winger. In 1988 he was so left wing that his vote was almost identical to Ted Kennedy. That was the man that Perry supported. Not a Conservative. Not a Moderate. A Socialist left-wing nutter. If you want to continue to use Perry’s talking points to insult the intelligence of people who KNEW Al Gore up close and personal and saw his radical voting record that he misrepresented to us Tennessee “hicks”, it speaks more to your credibility than it does to anything else.
I have to say, that even though we may disagree a bit regarding Gov. Perry, I very much appreciate your reasoned and adult conversation.
;-)
“Demonstrably baloney. You’re talking to a political historian.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
During his time in Congress, Gore was considered a “moderate” (he referred to himself as a “raging moderate”)[45] opposing federal funding of abortion, voting in favor of a bill which supported a moment in silence in schools, and voting against a ban on interstate sales of guns.[46] His position as a moderate (and on policies related to that label) shifted later in life after he became Vice President and ran for president in 2000.[47]
For approximately 100 years, from the end of Reconstruction until the 1970s, the Democratic Party was dominant in Texas politics. However, since the 1950s the Republican Party has grown more prominent within the state, and became the state’s dominant political party in the mid-1990s. This trend mirrors a national political realignment that has seen the once solidly Democratic South become increasingly dominated by Republicans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Texas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats
A huge portion of Representatives, Senators, and voters who were referred to as Reagan Democrats in the 1980s were conservative Southern Democrats.
Notable modern and former Southern Democrats
Huey P. Long, Governor, Senator from the “Great State of Louisiana” (a term he coined)
Earl Long, three-term Governor, Louisiana. Paul Newman played him in the movie Blaze regarding the life of Blaze Starr
Lloyd Bentsen, U.S. Senator from Texas and former Secretary of the Treasury
Jefferson Davis, U.S. Senator from Mississippi, President of Confederacy
James O. Eastland, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi
John R. Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina, 2004 Democratic Vice Presidential nominee, Democratic presidential candidate in 2004 and 2008.
D. Robert Graham, former U.S. Senator from Florida and former Governor of Florida
Richard Russell, former U.S. Senator from Georgia
Lawton Chiles, former U.S. Senator from Florida and Governor of Florida.
Estes Kefauver, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee and 1956 Democratic Vice Presidential nominee.
Lyndon B. Johnson, U.S. Representative and Senator from Texas, Vice President of the United States, and President of the United States (1963–1969)
Jimmy Carter, Governor of Georgia and President of the United States (1977–1981)
Bill Clinton, Governor of Arkansas and President of the United States (1993–2001)
Al Gore, U.S. Senator from Tennessee and Vice President of the United States (1993–2001)
Paul Patton, former Governor of Kentucky
J. William Fulbright, former U.S. Senator from Arkansas and longest-served chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Sam Rayburn, former Congressman from Texas and longest-served Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives.
Sam Nunn, former U.S. Senator from Georgia
Max Cleland, former U.S. Senator from Georgia
James Hovis Hodges, former Governor of South Carolina
Fritz Hollings, former U.S. Senator from South Carolina and former Governor of South Carolina.
Olin D. Johnston, former U.S. Senator from South Carolina and former Governor of South Carolina.
James F. Byrnes, former U.S. Secretary of State, former Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, former U.S. Senator, former Governor of South Carolina
John Stennis, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi
John McClellan, former U.S. Senator from Arkansas
Spessard Holland, former U.S. Senator from Florida and former Governor of Florida.
Reubin Askew, former Governor of Florida
Phil Bredesen, Governor of Tennessee
Kathleen Blanco, Governor of Louisiana
Roy Barnes, former Governor of Georgia
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator from Arkansas
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator from Arkansas
David Pryor, former U.S. Senator from Arkansas and former Governor of Arkansas
Dale Bumpers, former U.S. Senator from Arkansas and former Governor of Arkansas
Alben Barkley, former U.S. Senator from Kentucky and U.S. Vice President
Travis Childers, former U.S. representative from Mississippi
J. Bennett Johnston, former U.S. Senator from Louisiana
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator from Louisiana
John Breaux, former U.S. Senator from Louisiana
Edwin Edwards, former Governor of Louisiana
Zell B. Miller, U.S. Senator from Georgia
Terry Sanford, U.S. Senator/Governor from North Carolina
Kay Hagan, U.S. Senator from North Carolina
Richard Shelby, U.S. Senator from Alabama (now Republican)
J. Strom Thurmond, U.S. Senator from South Carolina (Democrat until 1964)
Mark R. Warner, Current U.S. Senator of Virginia, former governor
Douglas Wilder, Virginia Governor, first African-American elected Governor in the U.S.
Woodrow Wilson, former New Jersey Governor (originally from Virginia), President
Ralph Yarborough, U.S. Senator from Texas
Sonny Perdue, current Governor of Georgia (now Republican)
Robert Byrd, former West Virginia Senator and presidential candidate, 1976
Bill Nelson, senior U.S. Senator from Florida
Howell Heflin, former senator from Alabama.
Mike Beebe, Governor of Arkansas.
George C. Wallace, governor of Alabama
Lester Maddox, former governor of Georgia
Joseph Manchin III, current governor of West Virginia and current Southern Governors’ Association chairman
Wendell Ford, former Governor and Senator from Kentucky
A.B. “Happy” Chandler, former Governor and Senator from Kentucky; former Commissioner of Baseball.
Steve Beshear, Governor of Kentucky
Martha Layne Collins, former Governor of Kentucky and one time Chairman of the Democratic National Convention
Ben Chandler, former Attorney General of Kentucky and current Congressman from Kentucky.
Larry McDonald, Former conservative Democrat representative from Georgia
Tim Kaine, former Governor of Virginia and current Chairman of the DNC
Quite a good video. It did a good job in showing Obama as another Carter, but on steroids... and then contrasting that with the Perry, using the symbology of Reagan’s ‘shining city on a hill’ ideal.
It really hit hard, without pulling any punches.
Thanks. Trying to set a good example. I'm mostly a sparse poster, go through the discussion once, and move on. Signal to noise here is awful; but some of the noise is useful as it suggests directions for independent research.
Have to admit, once in awhile I'll join in a flame war, just for fun. I think I'm pretty good at it, too, although it's about as far from an adult and reasoned conversation that one can have!
That is an excellent ad.
I don’t know how much more I can add. I think that because several vocal Perry supporters don’t like what I have to say that I am being unfairly targeted, and that held true when I stood up to the Willard people during the last go-around.
I have seen numerous examples of falsehoods stated and yet they stand unchallenged and unremoved. I again submit you are placing upon me an impossibly high standard... indeed, even if I were personally witness to events, that could still be construed as one person’s word against another, and hence not a “provable fact.” We’re not a court of law, and I think certain accusations made on the weight of the conclusion that 2+2=4, are enough to be permissable.
Am I to assume every one of my posts will be scrutinized for this “factual accuracy” while those of the Perry supporters will not be (short of using obscene language against me or others) ? If one isn’t safe to vigorously challenge a candidate’s fake or questionable Conservative credentials on a Conservative website, I find that quite chilling. I’d like JimRob’s take on this, as it is his website, because I believe this is unfair and arbitrary.
Why are you copying and pasting links from a notoriously left-wing website ? Have you bothered to look at that list of names, madam ? Huey Long a Conservative Democrat ? He was a Socialist Demogogue from the 1930s. I can go over every single name and confirm or deny the credentials of every one were this not a load of spam.
When I said I’m tired of explaining to people who would rather believe and spread lies than accept the truth, I meant it.
That includes you, oh, most definitely it includes you.
I notice you follow me around and post against the truth on numerous threads.
I don’t know if you mean well or, like some, are just mean, nasty liars.
I don’t know you.
But you are tiresome and tiring. You are old, worn out, rung out, dry. Not you but your tiresome falsehoods.
I count you with the worst of the worst we have here, because of what I see repeated and repeated, right in league with the meanest, lowdown prevaricators and vilest language talkers, who wouldn’t care about the truth if their grandmother’s lives hung in the balance on it. Because that’s who you aligned yourself with.
I don’t argue anymore when I have made the truth so clear, it is clear to me the other person cares not a whit.
Yes, it's too early in the morning for me..I meant rural, and also, if you notice I posted that to myself, instead of the poster who I meant to post it to...
I am imbibing caffeine to correct my foggy brain.
Sorry. That was an accident and I should have caught it before I posted. I got carried away with the copy.
Who are you supporting for President?
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