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How the left purveys sprawl
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | September 17, 2011 | Editorial

Posted on 09/17/2011 3:05:52 PM PDT by Graybeard58

Few issues make the blood of liberal Democrats boil hotter than suburban sprawl, which they claim is responsible for a plethora of social, cultural, economic, public-health and environmental woes. They blame sprawl on the creation of the federal highway system during the Eisenhower administration, even though the suburbanization of America was well under way before the 1950s.

Sprawl actually is a sign of prosperity. Generations of Americans have fled the cities because they were fed up with the overpaying for cramped urban apartments so they could walk or bike through crime-ridden neighborhoods to get to work, stores and restaurants.

We find liberals' complaints about sprawl curious. They are huge fans of Big Government, and virtually every problem they associate with sprawl has its own Big Government program, office or agency, each with its own vault full of tax dollars for the benefit of liberal special interests and constituencies. If reversing sprawl would create the liberal utopia, then Eden wouldn't be all that heavenly because it would have legions of unemployed liberals.

But when was the last time you heard liberals decry sprawl? Not recently, and there's a reason for that. America is mired in its worst economic downturn since the 1930s. Usually, liberals complain America has more sprawl-inducing infrastructure than it can afford. But suddenly, they believe the road to recovery is paved with asphalt, spread and rolled exclusively by Big Labor. (Unspoken is the understanding that Recovery Road will be neglected by Big Government and Big Public Labor, thereby creating more "shovel-ready" work for Big Labor down the road.)

When President Obama announced his latest "jobs initiative" last week, it looked a lot like his 2009 "stimulus," which spent hundreds of billions to build and upgrade roads and bridges to no economic avail. That's because public-infrastructure projects are economically neutral at best. In financing its "stimulus," the Obama administration first drew nearly $800 billion out of the economy before putting it back in, minus billions lost to ubiquitous waste and fraud, and billions more skimmed off by governments at all levels to cover their overhead. The "stimulus" benefited governments and construction unions, but few others because it lacked the ripple effect of money invested in economically productive work carried out by the private sector.

Consequently, the "stimulus" failed as promised to lift the economy or reduce unemployment, and it will never succeed no matter how many times liberals try it. Yet even liberals who usually believe roads and bridges are evil sprawl-enablers are ready to double-down on this failed strategy because infrastructure projects give sprawling governments a shovel-ready excuse to spend, borrow and tax more. And more spending, borrowing and taxes mean more money for liberal causes and candidates.


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At first I thought the author was setting up a "straw man" but upon wiping the cob webs from my brains, I remembered the left indeed used to cry about "sprawl".

Now it's advantageous for them, nary a peep.

1 posted on 09/17/2011 3:05:55 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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2 posted on 09/17/2011 3:07:08 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58
I've heard the left call Thomas Jefferson the father of urban sprawl. Basically they didn't like the fact that he moved to the country and cleared land for farming. Its not sprawl but in the twisted liberal mind it is.

"The mobs of great cities add just so much to support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body,"

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"I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health and the liberties of man. True, they nourish some of the elegant arts; but the useful ones can thrive elsewhere; and less perfection in the others, with more health, virtue and freedom, would be my choice."


-Jefferson.
3 posted on 09/17/2011 3:16:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: Graybeard58

As the “Obama Money” crowds expand in the cities, the businesses and dwellers move out to escape the crime, the Democrat-controlled corrupt politics, and the drug and gang atmosphere. What’s left are the “Deetroit’s” and welfare class that then lean on the suburbanites for welfare, food stamps, medical care, crappy schools for the 70%+ out-of-wedlock births, etc. It’s gone on now for 4 generations, where NO responsible family life exists, and living off others is the norm.


4 posted on 09/17/2011 3:17:15 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Graybeard58

sprawl means more people owning their own land, more people learning how to maintain property, more people learning how to handle more complex personal budgets, more people learning to do things themselves, more people learning to get bids on work to be done and consequently learning more about business and commerce.

rural and semi-rural folks must own and maintain their own roads, sewers, and water supply...not to mention their homes, vehicles, and sheds. There is no garbage pickup. There is no city plows.

The more sprawl there is, the more GOP voters there are.


5 posted on 09/17/2011 3:35:22 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Graybeard58
Section 8 is federal block-busting.

It imports the criminal element into the areas where people moved to get away from it, forcing them to move again.

6 posted on 09/17/2011 3:39:33 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: Graybeard58

after you experience being robbed at gunpoint,

you move to the suburbs.


7 posted on 09/17/2011 5:12:30 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That is one of the best explanations of Section 8 I have ever heard.


8 posted on 09/17/2011 5:38:59 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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That is one of the best explanations of Section 8 I have ever heard.

Agreed!

9 posted on 09/17/2011 5:40:14 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: ken21

Yeah, but watch out for squirrels. Car-jacked me three times now. Wouldn’t mind it so much, but they get into these squirrel drag races and then they usually crash and then the insurance company reminds me of their “No Squirrel Driving Clause”. Insurance companies....sure, they like geckos, but they must hate squirrels.


10 posted on 09/17/2011 5:43:38 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: cripplecreek

Hmmm...I didn’t see any farmland at Monticello....I didn’t get all the way to the top though. Some contractor has the place tied up and you have to pay to get on the bus or else you can’t even drive past the house.

The drive up the mountain was heavily forested...I assume it was like that in his day. I imagined Jefferson at the top of the mountain with his spyglass peering down on the UVa campus.


11 posted on 09/17/2011 5:48:09 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Graybeard58

The infrastructure building doesnt lead to much building in the suburbs I will bet. They want less roads in the burbs and exurbs. They want us to move in closer, to be more under Rat control. Higher gas prices help that; extending public transportation further out into lower density.


12 posted on 09/17/2011 6:07:36 PM PDT by joelt
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To: Graybeard58
Now it's advantageous for them, nary a peep.

Yes. But Agenda 21 is the antithesis of sprawl. And Agenda 21 is a big deal to the libs.

13 posted on 09/17/2011 6:27:34 PM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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It’s gone on now for 4 generations, where NO responsible family life exists, and living off others is the norm.Pardon, I was born in 1944 (yeah, I'm an old fart) and my family life was very responsible and there were very few living off others. Four generations? That takes us back to the 1920s at least.
14 posted on 09/17/2011 6:32:05 PM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: scrabblehack

Jefferson was a farmer who grew cotton, Tobacco, corn and other vegetable crops. He farmed on plantation style plan with separate farms growing separate crops.

Among his more unusual crops was poplar trees. Not so much farming them as managing the poplar forest where Monticello is.


15 posted on 09/17/2011 6:35:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: upchuck

It all started with the “New Deal”, where OTHERS became responsible for some, and they have lived that way ever since.


16 posted on 09/17/2011 6:36:37 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: upchuck

Keep in mind that many on the dole don’t wait until their early 20’s to have children - they’re doing it in their mid teens. Bigger government check, you know...

The worst of it started with Johnson’s “great society” which should have been repealed by Nixon or Ford, or Reagan or somebody. Johnson wrote a check that the country could not afford to pay. We are now seeing the effects of the socialism.


17 posted on 09/17/2011 6:57:02 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Graybeard58

The libs have been spreading the propaganda about lack of space for fifty years. Just take a drive or a flight west of the Mississippi (two thirds of the country), and tell me if it looks crowded to you. Even the eastern third is hardly overpopulated compared to places like England. England is far more overcrowded than here, but I’ve driven through Britain and didn’t feel hemmed in. The truth is libs just don’t like capitalist-driven prosperity. They want people to live in rabbit hutches in huge cities. The better to control people. Inside every liberal beats the heart of a fascist dying to tell people how do live their lives.


18 posted on 09/17/2011 9:21:39 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Graybeard58
My first book, Natural Process, used a real-time, inflation-adjusted, and opportunity-cost based model to show how zoning law and regulations in the leftist County of Santa Cruz, CA, had been used to manipulate real estate values, first to abet sprawl, and then to reverse it. In both cases, developers were the beneficiaries and landowners the losers.
19 posted on 09/17/2011 9:33:45 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: upchuck
That takes us back to the 1920s at least.

Not when they are having kids at 15--and they have been. It is only recently a generation has taken 25 years here, ond only for some folks.

20 posted on 09/18/2011 12:23:46 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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