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The right and wrong way to talk about Gardasil
Michelle Malkin ^ | 9/13/2011 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 09/13/2011 10:11:03 AM PDT by Lakeshark

A month ago, I was “fringe” for spotlighting Rick Perry’s Gardasil problem.

As I said then, it’s not just a “single-issue,” one-off problem. It’s about his instincts, judgment, non-apology apology, and ethics.

For everyone still catching up, here’s my column from a month ago.

Now, Gardasil is the search word of the day. And there’s a new development.

After successfully highlighting Perry’s troubling abuse of executive power during last night’s debate, Michele Bachmann risks blowing it with some factually inaccurate assertions.

She’s RIGHT on the principles, wrong on some of the details.

She needs to stay on message and stick with the facts.

(Excerpt) Read more at michellemalkin.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bachmann; captaingardasil; cronycapitalism; gardasil; gardisil; gotcha; michellemalkin; rinoperry; rinorick
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To: RowdyFFC

“Son, I, my children, and my grandchildren and the many of the same all over the freaking US, have been subjected to mandatory immunizations since back in the 1940’s”

Those are airborne or droplet spread diseases. Apples to oranges.


61 posted on 09/13/2011 11:10:53 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: bt579
As of July 2011, legislators in at least 41 states and D.C. have introduced legislation to require, fund or educate the public about the HPV Vaccine and at least 20 states have enacted this legislation, including Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Washington. Source: National Conference of State Legislatures.

Well that makes me feel much better. As long as other states are mandating Gardasil innoculations unless you fill out a form 'requesting' an exemption from the state to control your daughters health, everything is right with the world.

Have you innoculated your sons yet?

62 posted on 09/13/2011 11:12:26 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: CodeToad
It wasn't a mandate, at least for parents. There was an opt out.

Now, there was a mandate for insurance companies to pay claims because of what Perry did but that's not what the outrage is all about.

What Perry did -- make private insurers and there customers cover the shot -- isn't any worse than what Palin did in Alaska which was make the fed taxpayers cover it for "all Alaska girls ages 9 through 18"

63 posted on 09/13/2011 11:13:59 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: John S Mosby

Just who the hell do you think you or Rick Perry is to be the default caregiver to my children?


64 posted on 09/13/2011 11:14:07 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: freeangel

Actually, NO, not apples and oranges, diseases. Transmitted by contact or through the air. Vaccinations, in fact, exact same thing.

And if you think there’s no contact among teenagers, you might want to ask Sarah Palin...she certainly knows better.


65 posted on 09/13/2011 11:14:38 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC
Thanks for the information. Last night Perry did not cover the opt out provision well. He should have hammered it home again and again. It is a nonissue except to the antivaccine hysterics.

Perry's big problem is immigration. I will not support him unless he changes drastically. Our nation is dying because of the illegal invasion. We will probably end up in a Social War over the issue. It is that serious. I live in California and we are Mexico in everything but name.

66 posted on 09/13/2011 11:16:22 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: RowdyFFC
Actually, NO, not apples and oranges, diseases. Transmitted by contact or through the air. Vaccinations, in fact, exact same thing.

Bullsh6t. HPV is spread through genital contact. It is NOT spread through casual contact as are childhood diseases like measles, mumps and chicken pox.

67 posted on 09/13/2011 11:21:24 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: CodeToad
THE POINT!!! Perry MANDATED IT

The point...by mandating it, insurance covered it!!!!

There was an opt-out and Texas parents were more aware of their rights at the time than Bachmann or Malkin seem to be now!

68 posted on 09/13/2011 11:22:08 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Lakeshark

The whole issue is a side show and the only winner in it is Obama, because it gets us from talking about Obamacare, his jobs record, the deficits, the debt and his abuses of power.


69 posted on 09/13/2011 11:25:09 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: pallis

Bush also liked playing conservative, while expanding government exponentially; refusing to protect our borders from illegal immigrants. He imposed No Child Left Behind in public schools, which really fouled up education. I will never forget how calmly he took hearing about 9/11 while reading to those children. His concern was for those kids, NOT that our country had been viciously attacked! W wore his religion on his sleeve, as Perry has done, drawing in the Christian vote. But Bachnmann prefers to live her religion rather than just talk about it.

As I’ve said before, if you liked Bush, you’ll LOVE perry!

Never again, Perry, never again! Principles matter! Last night was a very good debate. I thought each candidate clearly showed where he/she was coming from. And, folks, you’ve got to know where a person is coming from to know where they will take us! Haven’t we just learned that lesson the hard way?


70 posted on 09/13/2011 11:26:22 AM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE RINOs (BUSHS)!)
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To: beebuster2000
wrong hill to die on.
repeat: makes us look like crazies. we can defeat obama but we cant go psycho on these kind of issues

Sometimes I wonder how republicans win any elections.

IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!

I didn't watch the debate, so now I have to ask...who brought up the Gardasil issues in last night's debate? If it was Blitzer then we are taking the bait! If it was one of the candidates then whoever started it needs to be kicked out of the race right now! It's like taking the first shot in a circular firing squad!

71 posted on 09/13/2011 11:26:58 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Lakeshark
He made an executive order saying all Texas girls needed to be vaccinated, if the parents didn't want it, they had to go sign something or the girls would be vaccinated.

That's a mandate, you can explain it away all you want.........

Right, a "mandate" you can opt out of.

Listen, I don't think it was good policy. But the legitimate line of argument isn't to call it a "mandate" when, frankly, that's not what mandate means. The legitimate argument is one Rick Santorum used last night: that if Perry wanted to promote Gardasil vaccinations, he should have educated Texans about its benefits and made it an opt-in instead of an opt-out.

Perry was clearly in the wrong, both in terms of how he made the policy and the merits of the policy himself. But overstating the argument doesn't help your case.

72 posted on 09/13/2011 11:27:04 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: jwalsh07

Well, much to YOUR chagrin, of course, intercourse lately among our teenagers is a very casual contact SPORT! Whether YOU like it or not! Again, ask Sarah Palin WE know we were naive to think it’s not going to happen to our girls!


73 posted on 09/13/2011 11:28:04 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: bt579

Uou clearly missed my point.


74 posted on 09/13/2011 11:30:03 AM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE RINOs (BUSHS)!)
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To: RowdyFFC

So you lied for whatever stupid reason. Or you didn’t actually know that HPV required genital contact. Which was it?


75 posted on 09/13/2011 11:31:40 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: RowdyFFC

“Governor Perry himself respected Texas parents enough “

Listen, kid, I don’t care what you opted out of, no government should be mandating such things in the first place. Grow up.


76 posted on 09/13/2011 11:34:05 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: WOSG
The whole issue is a side show and the only winner in it is Obama, because it gets us from talking about Obamacare, his jobs record, the deficits, the debt and his abuses of power.

Obama wasn't vetted, Perry and Romney are being vetted. Whoever comes out standing will be a better candidate and POTUS for it.

Many Americans had no idea that Perry issued that executive order. They should know and they can consider it or not. What we don't need is another unvetted moron like Obama at this crossroads in Americas history.

77 posted on 09/13/2011 11:36:15 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: hellbender

Your post is a load of crap. You would obviously prefer that there be no standards for students and no teachers held responsible for their failures. And you’re obviously ignorant of the “opt out” provision in the Gardasil “mandate”. That, or you’re so used to repeating lies you read somewhere, you’re incapable of understanding the truth.


78 posted on 09/13/2011 11:36:49 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: CodeToad

You grow up...the fact is that Perry agrees with you, but you’re too dumb and blind to understand what he did.


79 posted on 09/13/2011 11:37:58 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: hocndoc

So what? If there was only one auto maker and the feds mandated that everyone own a car as a payoff to that auto maker, it’s no less cronyism than it is if there were 10 automakers and the same thing occurred.


80 posted on 09/13/2011 11:38:39 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. -- G.K. Chesterton)
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