Posted on 09/11/2011 11:07:07 AM PDT by MNDude
Go read at your own risk. The Muslim image the MSM always tries to give us is a farce. I cant believe they are not allowing any clergy to NY services in fear of offending these SOBs.
(Excerpt) Read more at ummah.com ...
That statement stands in stark contradiction to the assurances of their smooth talkers and many of our idiots that we all worship the same God.
When will America wake up and realize this is not a 2d A issue?
Although FDR sensibly interned much of our Japanese population during WWII, for their obvious protection as much as ours, a liberal USSC subsequently saw fit to render such an action politically incorrect if a similar conflict erupts within our borders.
They are a religion of hate, not peace. They are people of anger, not kindness. They are a culture of violence, not gentleness no matter what their promotional literature might say. And the sooner every American realizes that, the better off we would be.
Thanks for posting, we all need a good look at what's behind the curtain.
I am a so-called kufr, and I was referred to this thread from a forum that has noticed this thread.To those that celebrate 9/11, I am aghast and it is indicative that the war undertaken in it's wake was important.
To those that condemn this thread, calling it unIslamic: I am delighted that you see the truth. No God, the God of Abraham, or the Allah, would ever want us to kill and main and destroy eachother. It is important to defend oneself, obviously, and it can be argued that the war on Terror was indeed a pre-emptive act meant as an act of self defense after 9/11. Certainly there have been many excesses in America's conduct -- wholesale war always has these horrors. I do not celebrate that. I do celebrate the destruction of those who would destroy us in the name of Islam. There cannot be a valid religion who's goal should be slaughter.
If I understand Jihad correctly, it is a SPIRITUAL struggle, a struggle to overcome one's sinfulness. That is the war. Those who corrupt it's meaning to mean a war against anyone who does not believe as Muslims do, well... they shall reap the whirlwind.
So, to the Muslims who find this to be in as horrid taste as the excesses (only the excesses, for part of it was justified) of America when it prosecuted its response, I salute you. May you bring Islam to a place of enlightenment, where love is the rule, and the response to those who do not believe as you, is no longer death.
And apparently some posted threats on the FB page for the white house.
In a way, I am glad there will be no clergy there. The only clergy invited would be those who would agree not to invoke the name of Christ because that might be offensive. Also, does anyone here believe that Muslim clergy would not be allowed to be part of the service?
The only way Muslim clergy could possibly be invited to speak is if they were to disavow and condemn the actions of the 19 criminals who killed AMericans....it would never happen.
So maybe Bloombutt did us a favor by disallowing clergy...we would have had Imans leading the way and that would have been the final insult.
In a way, I am glad there will be no clergy there. The only clergy invited would be those who would agree not to invoke the name of Christ because that might be offensive. Also, does anyone here believe that Muslim clergy would not be allowed to be part of the service?
The only way Muslim clergy could possibly be invited to speak is if they were to disavow and condemn the actions of the 19 criminals who killed AMericans....it would never happen.
So maybe Bloombutt did us a favor by disallowing clergy...we would have had Imans leading the way and that would have been the final insult.
I stayed for 8 posts, total. The thread was supposedly sarcastic, because we honor Columbus (among others, but that was the one that stood out in my mind). I explained that Columbus was honored for the discovery of America, and men who followed may have committed atrocities. We honor Columbus for his discovery. Some of the Muslims there are good and honorable people, and that actually surprised me; some of them were hateful and expressed joy in the thread, and that fits the preconceived sterotype. Ultimately, though, it is their forum, so since I am not Muslim, and I had said my piece, it was time to go.
I pray for the ' quite a few' - those willing to stand up to the more traditional Muslim haters. We need to Americanize the Muslims here and STOP all immigration from Muslim countries. This is a war of ideas - a war we much win.
OBAMA is no different than the 911 HIGHJACKERS.....he's a MUSLIM TERRORIST who has Highjacked the government and is flying the FIFTH AIRPLANE into our economy.
DOWN WITH OBAMA NOW!!
#1 MUSLIM TERRORIST!!
I'm with you. Civilization will be difficult to keep up, if we are wantonly slaughtering one another. The Muslims who can coexist with others who don't believe as they do, need to take over from those who want nothing but slaughter, death, and terror.
It’s no different than FR, or any other place on the internet. The internet is a safehaven for extremists and hatemongers. I would link to a comic, but due to profanity I’ll summarize instead.
Average person + internet anonymity = complete douchenozzle
You’ll notice that one of the posters there asked if he/she would say the same to one of the 9/11 families, and they never responded. Of course they wouldn’t. I would compare it to all the young Americans (mostly white and middle/upper class) who are anti-Semitic and/or racist on the internet. It’s petty rebelliousness and redirected anger from whatever else. Everyone has to have a scapegoat, and for a certain slice of the world, America is oh-so-convenient. Like a toddler who, after knocking something over, looks at the nearest person and says “LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!”
See post #30 for an excellent example of what I talked about in my previous post.
Hah.
Laz, jihad is principally military, forceable expansion of Islam—itself the command, “Submit.” The Sufi/mystic interpretation of inner struggle is at most secondary, and comes from the same mystic tradition of the Hashishin and Salafists (al Qaradawi). Struggle and change = jihad, in the sense of the latter, and is part of the Indonesian title of the “Audacity of Hope,” i.e., “Jihad, from Jakarta to the White House.”
Only in closer, more esoteric study of Islam does someone learn of the ijtihad of legal philosophic meaning, bringing to bear some of what transpired AFTER the wave of Islamic conquest following 632.
http://www.danielpipes.org/990/what-is-jihad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ijtihad
j h d at the root includes mujahid/mujahideen. The variants that speak to spiritualism are/have been coopted. Witness al Qaradawi’s fatwas and insistence on the ‘progression’ of Islam and the encouragement of violence, as though Sufi meets Sunni and Twelver Shi’ite. This is dangerous, dangerous water.
My 2 cents
Actually, on the forum linked to by this article, the majority of the messages admonished the couple of sub-human posters.
In order for civilization to stand, the Sufis must win.
It gives me a little hope.
The Obama White House is behind a cynical, coldly calculated political effort to erase the meaning of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks from the American psyche and convert Sept. 11 into a day of leftist celebration and statist idolatry.
Our voices need to be heard not only at Town Hall sessions or Tea Party demonstrations but in the very halls of Congress. We have to speak out to stop the desecration of September 11th.
NEVER FORGET
"Every 'moderate' Muslim is a potential terrorist. The belief in Islam is like a tank of gasoline. It looks innocuous, until it meets the fire. For a 'moderate' Muslim to become a murderous jihadist, all it takes is a spark of faith.
It is time to put an end to the charade of moderate Islam. There is no such thing as moderate Muslim. Muslims are either jihadists or dormant jihadists moderate, they are not."
Ali Sini
Ali Sini is head of Faith Freedom International. FFI is a grassroots worldwide movement of ex-Muslims and all those who are concerned about the rise of the Islamic threat.
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NEVER FORGET
<"Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance."
Barack Hussein Obama
"It is important for Western countries to avoid impeding Muslim citizens from practicing religion as they see fit"
Barack Hussein Obama
"We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better, including my own country."
Barack Hussein Obama
"The contribution of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalog because Muslims are so interwoven into the fabric of our communities and our country"
Barack Hussein Obama
"I have lived in a Muslim-majority country... I know, because I am one of them."
Barack Hussein Obama
"As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam."
Barack Hussein Obama
"Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality."
Barack Hussein Obama
"And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States."
Barack Hussein Obama
"And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."
Barack Hussein Obama
"Moreover, freedom in America is indivisible from the freedom to practice one's religion. That is why there is a mosque in every state of our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our borders. That is why the U.S. government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it."
Barack Hussein Obama.
"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." Barack Hussein Obama- 'Dreams From My Father'
America under Obama
Obama has toured the world, apologizing for America and bowing down to Muslim kings and dictators.
Obama has put out an order to stop using the War On Terror Label and to use Overseas Contingency Operation instead.
Christianity has been banned in our public schools while special allowances have been made for Islamic students.
A Victory Mosque is to be built at Ground Zero with the mayor and the Presidents blessing and those that oppose it are called un-American.
Leftists continually fight for terrorists rights while trampling all over the rights of Americans
Obama is at the forefront of UN efforts to create Islamic blasphemy laws in the West disregarding free speech.
The U.S. government refuses to call the radical Islamic enemy by name but Democrat party leaders smear average America citizens in the peaceful TEA Party by calling them terrorists simply because they want our leaders to respect the Consitution.
Obama stated in 'Dreams From My Father' long ago: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
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Watch this moving video. It is the most viewed of any of the 9/11 videos and is now in the Smithsonian.
Be sure to read (at the site) Anatomy Of The Attack and the moving essay,That Day by Steve Golding, a New Yorker who lived through it.
Great post SoftballMominVA!
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