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To: dusttoyou; Cincinatus' Wife; smoothsailing; DoughtyOne
Looks like this caryokie is some important biggie, he clams to write speeches and looks likes he’s written a few here for Mutt or RON.

The post says I wrote it for Bill Simon. I'm not claiming to be some big time player, I merely sent it to him as a suggestion. I'd met the guy a couple of times early on and attended one party function just before he won the GOP nomination for governor of California. That's it. Simon is a SOCON, and a far cry from either Romney or Ron Paul. So if that's your standard for paranoid projections masquerading as conclusions, it says a lot more about the reasoning ability of Perry's backers or, more accurately, the lack thereof. Nor was I "stalking" Perry threads. I saw an interesting title on the sidebar and read it, and what did I find but the usual Perry cheerleaders. Sadly, I had to teach them that good criticism too often masks bad remedial policy. It wouldn't be the first time that was true.

Maybe is just an audition and we are just practice.

Please, I have a lot more to do than to seek work in political activism. This crew is hardly worth the effort. When the full-time on-the-party-payroll drum beaters like FairOpinion (since banned) get here, it looks to be quite the battle a brewing. As to spamming and shilling, I haven't even picked a candidate yet. OTOH, having a record of the bogus character assassination, characteristic of Perry's backers, of a long time FReeper who actually posts original material is rather handy for future reference should I choose to become a committed opponent. Nor did one of you ever show how the policy Perry proposes is superior to what I offered with which to contrast Perry's ideas with a less centralized and more free-enterprise and customer-oriented approach.

But hear this and hear it thoroughly: If a candidate proposes a bad idea I will call it as much, and I don't care who it is. As far as I am concerned, State testing in universities is moving in the wrong direction compared to removing the barriers to free-enterprise validation services and its analogy to No Child Left Behind is hardly vague. So, if you choose to back a candidate who later shows to be far less than he or she appeared or claimed to be, I will hold you accountable for your support until you repudiate it as there are a number of FReepers who will tell you.

This is a primary in an election against a destructive Marxist for whom there is little possibility of winning against any conservative in the race (with the possible exception of Palin who, AFAIAC, has poisoned her own well with her unwillingness to make substantive proposals instead of mindless cheer-leading). Best we select the person who most firmly represents conservative principles, "he can win" be damned. That's how we got Reagan. The compromise "he can win" principle got us Nixon, Schwarzenegger, and both Bushes. Yet it has been the disastrous consequences of electing "moderates" that got us Zero in the first place.

Perry talks a good game, but it is obvious that there is less to what he says than there first appears to be. It is in the details that we learn how the man plans to govern. In that regard I am not totally discouraged with him, but neither am I pleased (particularly as regards illegal aliens). There are others in the race who better exemplify conservative free-enterprise principles.

The behavior of a candidates backers also reveals much. In that regard, you have all done much to damage your cause.

70 posted on 09/10/2011 8:46:42 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie

“The behavior of a candidates backers also reveals much. In that regard, you have all done much to damage your cause. “

That could be their intentions too. Look at what campaign manager Ed Rollins has “done for” the candidates he’s been hired by or, rather, assigned to.

There are many avenues for the Statists to travel to guarantee they remain in control of who is running, and the assigning of asswipes to troll sites such as this is quite in keeping with their goals. Heck, the early Libertarian Party was almost immediately assigned nuts from both the Dems and the Pubbies that pretty much guaranteed they be the great powerhouse they are today /s


71 posted on 09/10/2011 9:09:16 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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To: Carry_Okie
The behavior of a candidates backers also reveals much. In that regard, you have all done much to damage your cause.

Well, I guess I've been around here as long as you have and I've seen alot of this foodfighting over candidates.

You're right, it does give insight into the type of person a particular supporter may be.

For that reason I apologize if I offended you.

I'm not involved in any cause, Perry is a candidate I'm interested in, and one I believe may be able to garner the funds necessary to take on Obama and appeal to a broad base.

Personally, I don't much like or trust politicians. I'm a basic kind of person. I want a President who loves my country and will defend it, will promote it here and around the world, will get and keep government off our backs, and make sure the military is properly manned and funded. I think Perry can handle that.

That's about it.

73 posted on 09/10/2011 9:19:15 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: All; Polybius; Carry_Okie

If behavior of candidates backers reveals much. I’d say the rabid Palin backers that claim they will write in her name no matter what and if it means more Obama, so be it. And the utter nonsense that they are rightfully vetting=bashing Perry because Palin was vetted is utter nonsense. Why was Bachmann trashed and called a RINO by Palin Bots? Do they want every formidable candidate destroyed and alinskyized because Palin was?As far as the argument that all other candidates supporters are bots.Name one formidable candidate that’s supporters say if they’re candidate does not make it they are writing in their name even if it means an Obama win.Only Palin Bots do this. Do they want every formidable candidate destroyed and alinskyized because Palin was?Palin has humility and a servants heart they have: attack all competition with vengeful hearts.

I don’t think carrieokie is anyone’s bot LOL I don’t think carrieokie likes anyone not even Santa Clause LOL ( I am only kidding carrieokie) that is why I applauded the busy body comment.

I am pinging polybius to reference the ‘will write in Palin’s name even if it means Obama wins,’comment as he witnessed it first hand.

DISCLAIMER:I am a tea party supporter.Perry,Bachmann,Palin,West,Cain.There is a difference in being a Palin supporter (of which I am) and a Palin bot.The bots here outnumber all with bully mob rule,quite sadly... The Palin bots play self appointed campaign manager guessing dates acting all cliquey and bully like children;that I have seen even try to get Perry supporters banned by pinging JimRob.(In which they were told by Mister Robinson to get thicker skin) are sometimes confused with those wanting earnest questions answered about a candidate.I think carrieokie is one but it is a rarity.

I have one goal,to get Obama unelected.


78 posted on 09/11/2011 12:34:34 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Cash for clunkers, subsidies - none has worked. The left =one-trick pony on the economy $pend)
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To: Carry_Okie; All
Too many people around these parts unwittingly help the Democrats every four years.  I changed my tagline about a month ago.  It says, "McCain 5 yrs Left/1 year right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?"  The point is, we hate John McCain and what he does within the Republican party to defeat the Conservative cause.  None the less, many of us pull a routine quite similar to the one he does, by turning Left just before the General Elections to vote in RINOs.

Hey folks, if it's rotten of John McCain to feign being Conservative for one year out of six to get re-elected, isn't it wrong for us to actually turn into a Leftist to back RINOs every General Election?  Another way of putting it would be, "Isn't it wrong for us to act like Conservatives for three years, then vote in RINOs?"  Why are we not voting for people who have expressed the same desires we have, so they will implement the policies we say we support?  The only obvious answer is that some folks don't actually support, or long for the things they say they do.

It's rather sad to see what passes for reason in the season that leads up to the general election primaries and caucuses around here.

We watch it play out over and over again.  At some point folks have to take a look at the basic scenario, recognize the fact that they have seen it before, and stop perpetuating the persuit of failure.

Every time we jump on board the Good Ship Lollipop RINOflop, we deprive an honest to goodness Conservative the position.  How is that working out for us?

Carry_Okie comes here trying to talk some sense into people, and a swarm develops.  Why?

Some of the folks here are flat out lying to themselves.  We have candidates who betray Conservatism for four, eight, twenty-five years, and yet they are touted as solid Conservatives, some even saying they are just what Reagan was prior to becoming President.

I watch as folks whoop it up because a RINO is not leading the pack, and laugh at other candidates who aren't doing so well, that agree with us about 100% of the time.

If this is folks idea of how to achieve victory, then we'll never see victory.

It is not two weeks before the general election, us having to coalesce behind a candidate even if we don't like them best.  It's months before the primaries even begin, when we should be phoning the candidates who agree with us asking what we can do to help.

Instead it's all giggles and levity around here, because the most solid people are lagging in the polls, and the folks who will never support what we want them to, to the degree they must to lead us out of this mess, are championed with vigor.

Either we have some of the stupidest people I've ever seen around here, or we have sleepers here who are doing their best to make sure Conservatism never prevails.

86 posted on 09/12/2011 2:01:55 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain 5 yrs Left/1 year right "BAD!" - Republicans 3 yrs Right 1 year Left to elect RINOs. "Good?")
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