Who said Hilary Clinton was warned in advance she would not be in the White House in 2009?

[MegaSilver]

Apologies for the vanity post, but this question is really piquing me.

I remember reading something kind of wacky that claimed that sometime in 2007, Bill and Hilary Clinton were called before a panel of the top international financeers, mainstream press lords and other political bankrollers and told in no uncertain terms that they would not be going back into the White House in 2009. Does anyone have any leads to how this story began?

The naïve may well dismiss that anecdote as nothing more than a paranoid John Birch-type speculation, but while one should always be skeptical of conspiracy theories, there might be something to this one. I remember sitting in the doctor’s office in late 2004 with nothing but Newsweek to entertain me as I waited. Inside, a quarter page was devoted to profiling each new senator-elect in the country. Conspicuously, two full pages were devoted to profiling a most uninspiring and unremarkable new boy from Illinois (about whom I had heretofore read mostly only either here or in paleo-conservative publications). At that moment I knew in my heart they were going to make him our new deity in just four years and I resolved to quit the U.S. if he was elected.

He was elected, and I left the U.S. for the last time on 10 December 2008.

While wanting to avoid propagating paranoid fantasy, given the MSM’s role in the fabrication of Barak Obama’s career, totally from scratch and the undue space it devoted to a man who had absolutely nothing remarkable beyond a Harvard degree (not uncommon among new senators), I cannot help but wonder just who, behind the scenes, was so determined to "make" Obama. Something tells me the Chicago Machine couldn't possibly do it all alone.

Any sources, even paranoid ones for comparison?

[ETL]

Thank you.

[ETL]

Just in case you or anyone else wants to read more about Obama, ACORN and the New Party...

October 08, 2008
Archives prove Obama was a New Party member (updated 2009?)
Thomas Lifson

Another piece in the puzzle of Barack Obama has been revealed, greatly strengthening the picture of a man groomed by an older generation of radical leftists for insertion into the American political process, trading on good looks, brains, educational pedigree, and the desire of the vast majority of the voting public to right the historical racial wrongs of the land.

The New Party was a radical left organization, established in 1992, to amalgamate far left groups and push the United States into socialism by forcing the Democratic Party to the left. It was an attempt to regroup the forces on the left in a new strategy to take power, burrowing from within. The party only lasted until 1998, when its strategy of "fusion" failed to withstand a Supreme Court ruling. But dissolving the party didn't stop the membership, including Barack Obama, from continuing to move the Democrats leftward with spectacular success.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/archives_prove_obama_was_a_new.html
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Obama File 41 Obama Was a New Party Member-Documentary Evidence -Trevor Loudon:
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-file-41-obama-was-new-party.html
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NOTE: As of today, June 10, 2009, DiscoverTheNetworks.org/FrontPageMag.com profile doesn't (yet?) include the latest revelation that (President) Obama was actually a member of the New Party. HOWEVER, he does link to several articles on the left side of the page that apparently do go into it in detail.-ETL

PROFILE: NEW PARTY (NP)
* Marxist political coalition
* Was active from 1992-1998
* Endorsed Barack Obama for Illinois state senate seat in 1996

Co-founded in 1992 by Daniel Cantor (a former staffer for Jesse Jackson's 1988 presidential campaign) and Joel Rogers (a sociology and law professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison), the New Party was a Marxist political coalition whose objective was to endorse and elect leftist public officials -- most often Democrats. The New Party's short-term objective was to move the Democratic Party leftward, thereby setting the stage for the eventual rise of new Marxist third party.

Most New Party members hailed from the Democratic Socialists of America and the militant organization ACORN. The party's Chicago chapter also included a large contingent from the Committees of Correspondence, a Marxist coalition of former Maoists, Trotskyists, and Communist Party USA members.

The New Party's modus operandi included the political strategy of "electoral fusion," where it would nominate, for various political offices, candidates from other parties (usually Democrats), thereby enabling each of those candidates to occupy more than one ballot line in the voting booth. By so doing, the New Party often was able to influence candidates' platforms. (Fusion of this type is permitted in seven states -- Connecticut, Delaware, Idaho, Mississippi, New York, South Carolina, and Vermont -- but is common only in New York.)

Though Illinois was not one of the states that permitted electoral fusion, in 1995 Barack Obama nonetheless sought the New Party's endorsement for his 1996 state senate run. He was successful in obtaining that endorsement, and he used a number of New Party volunteers as campaign workers.

In 1996, three of the four candidates endorsed by the New Party won their electoral primaries. The three victors included Barack Obama (in the 13th State Senate District), Danny Davis (in the 7th Congressional District), and Patricia Martin, who won the race for Judge in the 7th Subcircuit Court. All four candidates attended an April 11, 1996 New Party membership meeting to express their gratitude for the party's support.

The New Party's various chapters similarly helped to elect dozens of other political candidates in a host of American cities.

One of the more notable New Party members was Carl Davidson, a Chicago-based Marxist who became a political supporter of Barack Obama in the mid-1990s.

In 1997 the New Party's influence declined precipitously after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that electoral fusion was not protected by the First Amendment's freedom of association clause. By 1998 the party was essentially defunct. Daniel Canto and other key party members went on to establish a new organization with similar ideals, the Working Families Party of New York.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7434
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The Columbus Free Press
New Party Online News - Elections Update

In the end the outcome was predictable, and predictably depressing. Voting for Clinton while simultaneously supporting the local Republican Congressman was not contradictory. My personal favorite line: With these results, I'd better get some of that medicinal marijuana...

So we're back where we were a few days ago. Gingrich sets the agenda, Clinton rotates it a few degrees to make it palatable. Our task, and there are no shortcuts, is to build enough power to produce better choices in the future.

A few more steps down that road were taken by local New Party chapters on Tuesday. Here are some highlights:

Overall: Campaign finance led the way, with overwhelming victories in Arkansas and Massachusetts. Not counting Washington, DC's ANC races, NP members and supported candidates won 16 of 23 races, bringing our overall total to 110 victories in 163 races.

Arkansas: As local favorite Bill Clinton swept to victory under cloud of tainted contributions, an NP and ACORN-backed statewide initiative for real campaign finance reform won an overwhelming victory, outpolling Clinton and Perot combined. The measure lowers contribution limits to $300 for statewide candidates and $100 for state legislative and local candidates, grants a tax credit for small donors, and tightens reporting and disclosure requirements. It'll be a big step in leveling the playing field for grassroots candidates against their corporate funded opponents. And in the first city-wide victory for a New Party candidate in Little Rock, member Paul Kelly won an at-large City Council seat. He'll join NP members Gloria Wilson and Willie Hinton on the Council, with the potential for a strong progressive caucus. In a second at-large City Council race, NP member Genevieve Stewart made a strong showing. She finished third against 2 entrenched incumbents but built her name recognition and a base of support for a possible ward race for City Council next year. Finally, in a classic New Party vs. the Right Wing matchup, member Jayne Cia handily defeated the Arkansas state chair of Empower America (Bill Bennett's organization) for a seat on the County Board.

Illinois: The first NP member heads to Congress, as Danny Davis wins an overwhelming 85% victory yesterday (he got a higher percentage of the vote in that district than the President). NP member and State Senate candidate Barack Obama won uncontested. Interestingly, it appears that the local Democratic machine is trying to distance itself from our folks. At a "Democratic Unity" march on Chicago's West Side, a flyer invited community members to join with a host of local democratic candidates. The only two west-side Democrats not listed: NP members Danny Davis (U.S. House candidate) and Michael Chandler (Alderman and Ward Committeeman). ..."

New Party
227 West 40th St. Suite 1303
New York, NY 10018
phone: 800-200-1294
fax: 212-302-5344
email: newparty@newparty.org
web site: http://www.newparty.org

http://www.freepress.org/Backup/UnixBackup/pubhtml/newparty/newpart5.html
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"Although the New Party has been effectively defunct since the late 1990s, a website still exists."-wikipedia
http://www.newparty.org/
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Inside Obama’s Acorn:
By their fruits ye shall know them
Stanley Kurtz, May 29, 2008

"What if Barack Obama’s most important radical connection has been hiding in plain sight all along? Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn), the largest radical group in America. If I told you Obama had close ties with MoveOn.org or Code Pink, you’d know what I was talking about. Acorn is at least as radical as these better-known groups, arguably more so. Yet because Acorn works locally, in carefully selected urban areas, its national profile is lower. Acorn likes it that way. And so, I’d wager, does Barack Obama."
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI
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Guilty Party: ACORN, Obama, and the mortgage mess
Mona Charen, September 30, 2008
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Mzk4MmVkNzA1NGQ2NGRkZjQ2YjNmYjdlODZkMmQ4N2I=
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An ACORN Falls from the Tree: A congressional outrage
Ken Blackwell, September 29, 2008
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2Y5MTc0ZTAyMmE1Mjk3NGE3OWRiY2FkMjZlN2YxYzc=

[Repealthe17thAmendment]

My theory is that the Clinton's pushed an Obama candidacy, never thinking that he could win.

Considering the shape of the GOP in 2008, the Dem nominee was a shoo-in to win; and I think they wanted Obama as the sacrificial lamb. They had already scared away the big names, and they need someone to give them a little substance in the primaries.

At his age, he had plenty of more years to make a strong run, and they sold it to him as a dry run.

Then Obama made some deals with the Superdelegates and the money people and stabbed the Clinton's in the back. As a way of placating them, (and not revealing the genesis of the Obama campaign) Hillary was given the State Department.

[TigersEye]

I do remember mention of his association with the New Party. Thanks for helping me expand my knowledge of that.

[MegaSilver]

If you knew that in 2004, then why are you asking us any questions?

"Knew" in the instinctive, colloquial sense.

What I am wondering is whether anyone has read that same conspiracy theory: specifically, that there was a panel of Powers That Be reading out the Clintons and working against them. I cannot for the life of me remember where I heard that and I want to read it again.

If it's a conspiracy theory too rich to be true, you have to admit it's also too rich to be ignored.

[RedMominBlueState]

The tide turned for Hillary when George Soros dumped her for Obama (in a surprise move that purportedly stunned the Clinton camp) in January 2007 on the eve of her historic presidential announcement. Who knows if there were high level meetings with the Clintons, but supposedly once Soros defected they knew the game was over.....

[MegaSilver]

Bill and Hillary Clinton were both extremely surprised and shocked that Hillary did not win (and in fact came in 3rd) in the 2008 Iowa Democratic caucuses. They did not have a heads-up about this. If the "bankrollers" had told Hillary in 2007 that she would not be going back to the White House, she would not have been able to raise any money to start her campaign.

It is common in both major parties that the person who gives the keynote speech at a convention, as Obama did in 2004, will be widely talked about as a candidate for the next election. This is especially true if the speech goes over well.

So your conspiracy theory should probably focus on the people in the Democratic party who picked Obama to give this speech and why they did so.

Important points, all of them. But as for the first point, I should qualify myself a bit: the Powers That Be need not be monolithic, nor need the "panel" in question be so formalized as, say, a gathering of Freemasonic Grand Masters.

But that panel conspiracy I mentioned wasn't mine. Someone else suggested it somewhere. I can't for the life of me remember who suggested it and that's what's bugging my brain. I don't even remember it well enough to remember what sort of demographic were these "Powers That Be"--top party officials, rich guys, or what.

[Gen-X-Dad]

From the conspiracy archives

http://www.menwithfoilhats.com/2010/01/obama-slinks-off-to-bilderberg-meeting-with-hillary-clinton/

Supposedly, this was when Hillary was told to stand down by the powers that be. Above article has all the details of the candidates ditching the MSM to attend the meeting in secret. Other local bloggers confirmed their presence at the meeting.

[Pagey]

bttt

[caver]

I have to agree with you. How in the world did we get such a pathetic loser as Barry in the highest office in teh world. If there aren’t powerful people pushing things behind the scenes, the what else happened? I’m not a conspiracy nut, but nothing else explains it.

[MegaSilver]

I have to agree with you. How in the world did we get such a pathetic loser as Barry in the highest office in the world. If there aren’t powerful people pushing things behind the scenes, the what else happened? I’m not a conspiracy nut, but nothing else explains it.

Very important point. Not in living memory has a president been so conspicuously unintelligent as BHO. (Bush II? C'mon; his poor speaking skills and folksy demeanor were obviously an act, almost as much of an act as BHO's polished publicity.) So there is plenty of reason to believe that BHO's presidency was planned many years in advance by forces higher than himself, even if this has never been the case on such a large scale.

Money clearly played a huge role in it, arguably huger than in any previous election. Not that money hasn't always played a large role, and not that bribes, racketeering and outright electioneering fraud haven't been tried before and with success (c.f. 1960, JFK vs. Nixon--another incompetent disaster hoisted onto the American people courtesy the Chicago Machine! BHO and JFK are alike in many many ways) but never has the sheer volume of money been so awesome as it was in 2008.

[x]

I don't know, but looking for it I did find this:

Hillary in 2008? No Way! By Joe Klein, Sunday, May 08, 2005

The Clintons were widely regarded as damaged goods, so a lot of Democrats were hunting for an alternative.

Harry Reid and other Senate Democrats encouraged Obama to run. Maybe they told Hillary that she didn't have a chance.