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More smokers avoiding taxes with self-rolled cigarettes and small cigars
kentucky.com ^ | Aug 12, 2011 | Beth Musgrave

Posted on 08/12/2011 7:27:34 AM PDT by KyGeezer

FRANKFORT — Revenue from Kentucky's cigarette tax is in free-fall, but more Kentuckians kicking the unhealthy habit isn't the only reason for the decline.

State officials say more and more people are turning to cheaper alternatives — little cigars and roll-your-own cigarettes — that aren't covered by the state's 60-cent-a-pack tax.

The little cigars look much like cigarettes but are wrapped in brown paper. They cost about $1.25 a pack, compared to about $3.25 for the cheapest pack of cigarettes.

The move to small cigars and roll-your-own cigarettes is a national trend. The U.S. Department of Justice estimates that states have lost $5 billion a year because people are using alternatives that have no state retail cigarette tax.

In Kentucky, state budget officials are predicting a 17.2 percent decline in revenue from the cigarette tax this fiscal year, which ends June 30. Last fiscal year, the state collected $262.4 million from cigarette taxes, down nearly 6 percent from 2010.

It's difficult to say how much of the decline is related directly to cheaper alternatives, but revenue officials say the loss from self-rolled cigarettes and small cigars is possibly in the millions of dollars.

When the legislature agreed to double the cigarette tax in 2009, the move was applauded by health advocates as a way to encourage more people to quit. It also bolstered the state's cash-strapped budget.

At first, cigarette tax revenue increased. But in June 2010, revenue from the tax began to dip.

At the same time, the state Department of Revenue, which collects tobacco-related taxes, saw retailers devote more shelf space to pipe tobacco and roll-your-own tobacco, said Richard Dobson, director of sales and excise taxes for the revenue department.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: cigarettes; cigars; taxes
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The morons never learn...raise taxes and lose revenue.
1 posted on 08/12/2011 7:27:38 AM PDT by KyGeezer
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To: KyGeezer

In college my buddies and I rolled our own: Borkum Riff in a Zig Zag.


2 posted on 08/12/2011 7:30:45 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: KyGeezer

Cigs are 8.99 in Ct.


3 posted on 08/12/2011 7:31:24 AM PDT by y6162
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To: KyGeezer
The move to small cigars and roll-your-own cigarettes is a national trend. The U.S. Department of Justice estimates that states have lost $5 billion a year because people are using alternatives that have no state retail cigarette tax.

What's the difference between a small cigar and a cigarette? "Cigarette" literally means "small cigar".

4 posted on 08/12/2011 7:31:54 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: KyGeezer
It seems once one is employed in public service, the notion of unintended consequences becomes unfathomable.


5 posted on 08/12/2011 7:32:04 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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RE :"State officials say more and more people are turning to cheaper alternatives — little cigars and roll-your-own cigarettes — that aren't covered by the state's 60-cent-a-pack tax. "

I gave up smoking decades ago but 'roll your own' to avoid the taxes is a great idea (no filters I assume.) It's so 1920s/Temporance/bootleg like.

And states like Maryland that patrol the borders looking for residents bringing cigarettes in probably are not looking for plain tabacco.

6 posted on 08/12/2011 7:33:43 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: KyGeezer

My wife and I switched to the little cigars two years ago. They actually taste better than regular cigarettes, and cost two thirds less.

Funny how the state’s revenue from cigarette taxes dropped when they raised the rate, huh? Libs never learn.


7 posted on 08/12/2011 7:34:02 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: KyGeezer

It was now a few years ago that they jacked up the taxes on canned tobacco, which hurt a lot of very poor people.

That “it is for their own good” is a b.s. argument, when taking away the few, small pleasures they have.

I would suggest that anyone who uses this line of argument should be prohibited from eating food in restaurants, because it is less healthy, as a rule, than food prepared at home. And “it is for their own good”, to deprive them of something *they* find pleasing.


8 posted on 08/12/2011 7:34:19 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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9 posted on 08/12/2011 7:34:52 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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What's the difference between a small cigar and a cigarette?

Not much. They're supposedly made from cigar tobacco and rolled in brown paper instead of white. My wife and I smoke them, and besides tasting a whole lot better than 'cigarettes', they only cost us $1.70 a pack.

10 posted on 08/12/2011 7:36:16 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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What's the difference between a small cigar and a cigarette? "Cigarette" literally means "small cigar".

Filters? Taxes?

11 posted on 08/12/2011 7:36:19 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: KyGeezer
Back in 2009 they jacked up the federal tax on loose tobacco from $1/pound to over $24/pound to keep people from stealing money from the government (cough, cough) by rolling their own.
12 posted on 08/12/2011 7:38:43 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Repubs and Dems are arguing whether to pour 9 or 10 buckets of gasoline on a burning house.)
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To: rhombus

$1.70 a pack in Texas.

13 posted on 08/12/2011 7:40:46 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Watch next week for the proposal to tax cigars at gigarette rates.

The government doesn’t care about your health.

They just want your money.


14 posted on 08/12/2011 7:43:37 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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Kentuckians continue to smoke and they are rolling their own — but it sure ain’t tobacco!


15 posted on 08/12/2011 7:48:24 AM PDT by FerociousRabbit
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at gigarette rates.

I'm not sure how much that it, but it sounds like a bunch!!!

16 posted on 08/12/2011 7:51:47 AM PDT by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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To: sickoflibs
"I gave up smoking decades ago but 'roll your own' to avoid the taxes is a great idea (no filters I assume.)"

Filters if you want 'em. Some of today's home rolling machines are pretty sophisticated...


17 posted on 08/12/2011 7:51:54 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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U.S. Department of Justice estimates that states have lost $5 billion a year

Anybody else notice the stoopid attitude in this statement?

18 posted on 08/12/2011 7:52:22 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Old Mr. Anderson our neighbor used to grow his own tobacco. Dried it in the garage.


19 posted on 08/12/2011 7:52:24 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Proper aim of giving is to put the recipient in a state where he no longer needs it. C.S. Lewis)
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{What’s the difference between a small cigar and a cigarette?}

Not much. They’re supposedly made from cigar tobacco and rolled in brown paper instead of white. My wife and I smoke them, and besides tasting a whole lot better than ‘cigarettes’, they only cost us $1.70 a pack.


Years ago (decades really) I read that cigarettes were invented to make use of the trimmings left over from the cigar-making process. The inventor never expected the waste-based product to take off.

I wish I could cite a source for you, but I would have read it on paper so source could have been anything from book to newspaper.


20 posted on 08/12/2011 7:54:20 AM PDT by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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