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To: grobdriver

Intentional government set-up to keep citizens defenseless and at the mercy of the Marxists. Why do you think they can’t own guns and protect themselves? Hitler took the guns away also and condition cops into their worldview.

2nd Amendment is to protect personal property and family and England ditched Capitalism for socialism and collectivism years ago and destroyed their Common Law practices....makes them all serfs and slaves of the welfare class and immigrants, whom they are willingly supporting so those communists can destroy all their traditions and way of life...to create a utopia of serfs with no rights whatsoever.


11 posted on 08/09/2011 2:00:14 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: savagesusie
The government has plundered the productive for so long on behalf of the parasites, the parasites decided to eliminate the middleman.
18 posted on 08/09/2011 2:08:05 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Obamacare, the Enabling Act of 2010.)
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To: savagesusie

Er...not all guns aren’t illegal to own. My grandfather has two.


27 posted on 08/09/2011 2:16:51 PM PDT by NikkiB
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To: savagesusie
In 1900 Englishmen had an almost unrestricted right to own any sort of firearm. Shoulder and hand weapons could be freely shipped through the mails. A strong common law castle doctrine existed and the right to use any necessary force in self defense was lso a common law concept.

This happy state of affairs was undermined by the social turmoil of the Edwardian era. Early in that monarch's reign a large violent strike paralyzed the Port of London and this began to focus the ruling classes fear of continental style class warfare coming to the UK. The constant and often violent strikes in the coal, cartage, and engineering sectors made rich Liberals and Conservatives alike fear the potential for armed mob action. This fear was aggravated by the so called Siege of Sidney Street where the Home Secretary Winston Churchill used regular army personnel for the first time in decades to confront a band of armed protocommunists who had killed police officers. Churchill was embarrassed by the blowback from Sidney Street introduced the first significant gun licensing and restrictive legislation.

After World War One with the specter of real armed revolt by communists haunting the UK and with armed riot and revolt the daily news from the continent and the terrifying example of the Russian Revolution and Civil War was fresh in everyone’s mind more gun control became the order of the day. After the General Strike of 1926 detailed registration laws were passed and ownership of hand guns tightly controlled.

In the 70’s and 80’s Tory and Labor were happy to strip gun owners of residual rights and after a mass shooting at a school in Scotland pistol ownership was forbidden and truly impossible restrictions on long gun ownership were put in place. Again this was a ruling lass issue. Lady Thatcher was no friend of gun rights and was always quite vocally contemptuous of the ‘American gun culture’. The same ruling lass types both Conservative and Labor have moved on from stripping the right of gun ownership to eliminating both the castle octanes and the right to pro active self defense.

The lesson for the US is that rights such to bear arms, castle doctrines and defense of person and property have to be written into law and constantly defended from erosion by governing elites for any purportedly
socially beneficial purpose.

The British seem thoroughly brain washed by a century of government action that self defense and owning and being comfortable with the willingness to use deadlyforce to defend home and person are impermissible doctrines. I will always remember the absolute contempt for ‘Americans and thier guns’ that one upper class older British woman spat out at me in a conversation. This woman was very much a Tory but could not grasp the need for any decent person to be able to really think of killing another ‘human being’ for any reason. That is what the police and those rough characters in the armed force's are for.

With the Muslims and the black underclass flexing their muscles these sniffy sanctimonious attitudes are going to collide with reality.

57 posted on 08/09/2011 3:26:44 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: savagesusie
makes them all serfs and slaves of the welfare class and immigrants, whom they are willingly supporting so those communists can destroy all their traditions and way of life...to create a utopia of serfs with no rights whatsoever.

Hell, our tax system does exactly that without a shot being fired.

See tagline.

62 posted on 08/09/2011 3:41:14 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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