Posted on 07/25/2011 10:15:54 AM PDT by Sopater
EXCLUSIVE: In the latest chapter of the gunrunning scandal known as Operation Fast and Furious, federal officials won't say how two suspects obtained more than 360 weapons despite criminal records that should have prevented them from buying even one gun.
Under current federal law, people with felony convictions are not permitted to buy weapons, and those with felony arrests are typically flagged while the FBI conducts a thorough background check.
However, according to court records reviewed by Fox News, two of the 20 defendants indicted in the Fast and Furious investigation have felony convictions and criminal backgrounds that experts say, at the very least, should have delayed them buying a single firearm. Instead, the duo bought dozens of guns on multiple occasions while federal officials watched on closed-circuit cameras.
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Fully automatic Russian military AK-47s can be bought for around $100-200 in South and Central America, or from Venezuela. These much cheaper military grade machine guns can be brought into Mexico with already existing drug shipments with little to no risk so I don't see the value to the Drug Cartels in buying inferior, non military grade semi automatic weapons for over $1000 which 5-10 times the $100-200 going price for high quality, military grade fully auto machine guns.
It is also a much higher risk to traffic these price inflated, inferior quality semi auto AKs across the highly patrolled US - Mexico when the cheaper high quality machine guns can be shipped across the same borders the drugs are going through with little or no risk what so ever.
A lot of the circumstances of Fast and Furious simply do not make any logical sense when put into reasonable context.
It kind of makes you wonder what the heck really was going on with this program and why.
Fully automatic Russian military AK-47s can be bought for around $100-200 in South and Central America, or from Venezuela which is now making them for themselves. These much cheaper military grade machine guns can be brought into Mexico with already existing drug shipments with little to no risk so I don't see the value to the Drug Cartels in buying inferior, non military grade semi automatic weapons from America for over $1000 which 5-10 times the $100-200 going price for high quality, military grade fully auto machine guns from on the open international and south of the border sources and markets.
It is also a much higher risk to traffic these price inflated, inferior quality American market semi auto AK knock offs across the highly patrolled US - Mexico when the cheaper high quality, military grade real deal machine guns can be shipped across the same totally open non US borders borders the Cartels are using to ship their drugs across with little or no risk what so ever.
A lot of the circumstances of Fast and Furious simply do not make any logical sense when put into reasonable context.
It kind of makes you wonder what the heck really was going on with this program and why.
I fundamentally agree with your theory, but with some differences.
I think Glenn left Fox to have TOTAL control of his broadcast, and IMHO he will pick up right where he left off, pointing fingers and naming names.
WorldNetDaily is not afraid of the birther issue, but maybe Rush/Hannity/ect. may not want to come of as “World Nut Daily” types.
However, I would not be surprised about anything evil Soros would do to further his cause, including paying for certain conservative commentators to be silenced.
This program is the combination of the Reichstag fire and Gleiwitz incident for this current administration.
The purpose is exactly the same, that is to sway public opinion to allow a major crackdown on the political enemies of the regime.
This choclate reich will destroy it’s own country just like the third reich did, mark my words.
It is strange. Makes you think there may have been some kind of side deal going on ok’d by President Fool Sucka, and the excess money was funneled to some leftist group or black op.
Makes sense.
Note how Murdoch seems to be on the run.
Insulting Delta Force members does nothing for your credulity. And I know ex-Mossad who would kick your stupid ass for making your idiot comment regarding Mossad loyalties. You watch too much TV and spend too much time lost in movies.
not too likely - the data base is what it is and if incorrect info is entered, incorrect info results. That is why so many of the systems be it LE, science, census, etc., are error prone.
The old saying still works, “garbage in, garbage out.”
bump
Biggest freaking scandal in US history....
It's not the same Matt. Sorry..!
Just to add a fine point: I’ve been trying to find out if the actual, regular, gun dealers had written immunity to participate in this farce. If they didn’t then they are either nuts or not real dealers but fake ATF storefronts, which has happened before. But written immunity could not have come from a local ATF agent or office-—not even from the FBI. To be binding it would have to be signed by the US Attorney General -—or higher. And who put in the CCTV? If there was no advance immunity then these dealers are also in big trouble-—A dealer accepting a known false 4473 would be just as sickeagle as anything the individual fed agents did.——FWIW the fine is a quarter million$ and ten years.
OK, I’m lost. What does this have to do with Matt Drudge?
Yes, exactly.
Weirder and weirder, this thread says it wasn't either of the two firearms recovered where Terry was shot.
ATF sought to downplay guns scandal, emails show
"They said the FBI had determined that neither of the two AK-47 semiautomatics was the one that killed the agent."
It only makes sense if there are subsidies involved, unless there is coordination between the Cartels and the people pulling the strings in the US Government.
It hit its peak in 2010/early 2011 and has been trailing off substantially in the last few months.
The violence really ramped up after the Democrats took over on January 2009 and Fast and Furious went into action and the Democrats started pushing a PR offensive for more gun control to “ stop the smuggling of US border state purchased guns which are fueling the violence in Mexico”
The violence in Mexico seems to have ramped down noticeably since the new Republicans were sworn into office and especially since Issa began investigations regarding Fast and Furious and the disclosures regarding US Government involvement in the funding and trafficking of of weapons across the border to Mexico started a few months ago.
There is still violence, of course, but things seem to be deescalating as of late and much of the bold wild wild west hyper violence and the simply inexplicable and senseless atrocities seem to be on the decline. The decline is very recent but there does seem to be a trend developing
Unusual correlation there, but it seems to be a pretty strong one.
I'll leave it to others to speculate .
All we get are conflicting reports.
This is what happens when ONLY the alternative media pursues a scandal. Love ‘em or hate ‘em, this is the problem we face when the MSM chooses to not be involved. Granted, CBS broke it in the MSM and FOX has talked about it, but they've both just nibbled at the edges. As good as the work of Codrea and Vanderboeh has been, the fact of the matter is that they can not bring the same formidable resources to bear in this investigation that the MSM is capable of doing. Politicians see little to no benefit in even discussing it if it won't give them face time on ABCNNBCBS. Just as with “certifigate”, we are starting to see a lot of loose ends that are just left dangling....Honduras, Columbia county, FBI and DEA informants, CIA, State Dept. etc. So many tangents make the story difficult to explain in a four minute segment so it goes unreported......and a story that's unreported goes nowhere.....especially with politicians.
The Feds, namely the DOJ, ATF, and FBI, are near always silent when they FAIL! Give it a day or two to make up some lying BS, kkthx. =.=
>>Our Media FUNDAMENTALLY AGREES with Communism, and understands it must hide Obama and the Left’s (Hollywood, Soros, Democrats, Unions, Racial Grievance Groups, Greens, Feminists, Gays) real goals as people would revolt.<<
Communists are past the point of hiding. Now they will get right in your face and if you don't like it. Tough Shit!
My mind connected some dots after reading this post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2752883/posts
This could very well explain why so many consistent conservative media outlets and commentators have turned silent on so many issues. Look at what has been happening in Mexico, so many deaths meant to send a message, and not just to Mexicans...?
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