Rice Lashes Out at Russia for Blocking U.N. Council From Tackling Climate Change

FOX NEWS ^ | 7-21-11 | Fox News

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U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice this week issued a blistering rebuke of Russia, China and other countries that blocked the Security Council from adopting a statement linking the threat of climate change to international peace and security.

During the Security Council’s first formal debate in four years on the environment Wednesday, Russia was not swayed by Western nations led by Germany, this month's council president, insisting that the 15-nation panel needs to respond to the effects that climate change has had on Sudan's Darfur region and in Somalia, where the United Nations say famine had struck two areas.

[Carry_Okie]

Humans can certainly have an effect on our areas, but we cannot change an overall climate. I don't think that were were enough humans in Egypt and Mesopotamia, during that time, to change the entire Sahara area.

As I thought you might say.

Sorry, but grazing animals have certainly been that numerous in that region as to be capable of modifying vegetative cover. When that happens, the surface emissivity changes enough to induce a surface temperature change of 40°F. That changes the relative humidity and the dew cycle upon which the grasses depended.

It is REMOVING human animal management that is what can cause desertification on a scale that massive, particularly because the entire equilibrium between a human apex predator and its herbivorous prey is disrupted without anything to mitigate the effect. That land had been under continuous management by people for over 9,000 years prior with no problem. Over that time there were solar-related climate events of far greater magnitude than when that desert commenced. Yet at the very nascence of the Nile Valley culture, there was war between the people of the Valley and the people of that grassland, and we know who lost.

With that loss came the loss of those who knew how to steward that land, whether preventing overgrazing grasses or maintaining shrubs, hunting predators, or running the animals to crush locust eggs. The desertification process began almost immediately and progressed from east to west. To this day, Khnum, the creator god of ancient Egypt, lines the road from Karnak to Luxor. He has a ram's head. The pharaoh ruled with a flail and a crook. Yet it was known from the time of Joseph (and now before) that the rulers of the Nile hated nomadic shepherds, for good reason too. The Hyksos kings were exactly such.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Carry_Okie.

Yet at the very nascence of the Nile Valley culture, there was war between the people of the Valley and the people of that grassland, and we know who lost.

The wars in the predynastic period (and for most of Egyptian history) were about control of the Nile, which helped bring into being one of the riverine civilizations that lies at the root of all our own histories. The reason nomadic life shrank is because the desertification got worse, not because of the other way around. Even the prehistoric traces of warfare in the area (thousands of stone weapon-heads) were found in the remains of a village which was attacked (or had an internal fight of remarkable proportions) and burned to the ground, and evidently never reoccupied.

[Carry_Okie]

The reason nomadic life shrank is because the desertification got worse, not because of the other way around.

Being on a Near Eastern archaeological academic listserv, I've read a fair number of papers on the topic. Sadly, the agro-urban archaeologists who write them have at best a marginal understanding of hunting cultures or range management in dry environments. Hence, that conclusion is not much more than a presumption upon their part based upon what they can currently measure. Their theories have yet to be examined against the model I'm proposing which is based in soil science and vegetation management as influence climate behavior and what happens when the apex predator changes from a people to other animals. As a modern analogue to the process I'm discussing, check out the Drake Exclosure. Not as much really is known about aboriginal hunter/herdsman cultures as we'd like to think, simply because they leave such an ephemeral footprint. Heck, we're still revising upward the aboriginal numbers here in North America, even though those events were but hundreds instead of thousands of years ago because that information is so sketchy. Steven Simms has done a good job of collecting that information here in North America.

War came later than the events of which I'm speaking as the root causes of desertification. The arrangement of singular and collective plurals Hebrew in Genesis 4:8 speaks of a process of assimilation that eventually killed Abel, one at a time, as Abel became Cain. Instead of a childish story of "don't kill your brother over an offering" it is instead a challenging multi-layered tale that we have missed, because we are Cain.

[DungeonMaster]

So when Communists are in power we get to get back to reality?

[DTA]

>>>>>>>archaeological academic listserv<<<<<

Hm. Do you know how many so called "academics" are nothing but a shills for certain political agenda and whore themselves for the tenure and keeping of their $180K salary. Many are criminals who deliberately spread dangerous lies that are used to justify murder of innocent people. I have seen it on many academic lists. Lists are MODERATED and operate like a wolf pack. Administrators maintain behind the scene communication with the shills who attack any dissenting opinion that exposes fraudulent information. Dissenting posts are severely edited or blocked. So the final result is fine tuned "discussion" that provides false impression of uniform view. It is shameful, but the fact of life. Even Wikipedia often provides more facts than many "academic" liservs.

[Avoiding_Sulla]

Many are criminals who deliberately spread dangerous lies that are used to justify murder of innocent people.

Examples?

[Carry_Okie]

Do you know how many so called "academics" are nothing but a shills for certain political agenda and whore themselves for the tenure and keeping of their $180K salary.

I sure do. I do independent research on my own nickel thank you.

I have seen it on many academic lists. Lists are MODERATED and operate like a wolf pack. Administrators maintain behind the scene communication with the shills who attack any dissenting opinion that exposes fraudulent information. Dissenting posts are severely edited or blocked. So the final result is fine tuned "discussion" that provides false impression of uniform view. It is shameful, but the fact of life.

My point in citing it was that I see quite a bit of the output and am not impressed with what I see in the way of scholarship, much less originality. The correlations I have found, both technical and literary, are so numerous and broad, and all pointing at the same thing, that the model bears serious investigation.

There is absolutely no doubt that removing human animal managers from a landscape can have disastrous consequences for vegetation, either because of overgrazing or (surprising to many) undergrazing. In either extreme thereafter, the desert can propagate like peeling the skin off a banana. Lose the nutrients to the wind and it is very hard to recover. As the process propagates, it can become continental in scale, just as it is doing in the American Southwest. At that point, because of the change in infra-red adsorption on the surface, local weather patterns will reflect the change.

[DTA]

>>>>>>Examples?<<<<<<<<

Too many to mention.

Do you know who is the guy on the right in the front row?

Picture #1 He and others from German academia set the foundation for Nazism and after the war claimed they were Nazi victims.

Heidelberg Myth gives a good insight into German academic community 1933-1957.

Victims indeed. Their teaching is responsible for setting up the foundation for extermination of 6 million Jews and 20 million Slavs.

How about this academic fraud, the Founding Executive Director and the Anna Lindh Professor of Practice of Global Leadership and Public Policy of the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government?

Pic #2 Alleged author of R2P, provided justification for mass murder of Libyans. She merely copied Hitler.

Can you name her? Time magazine named her as one of the 100 top scientists and thinkers.

Do you know who is this?

Pic #3 Professor who taught generations of students that elites should use deception, religious fervor and perpetual war to control ignorant masses. Taught in Hitler's Heidelberg? Nah.He was University of Chicago professor since 1949, called by some one of the most influential teachers in America.

His influence on American political landscape can be seen with the naked eye. He established the culture of impunity for deception. Obummer is the fruit from that poisonous tree.

Can you name him?

[redroller]

There were several major catastrophes over the last ten or twelve thousand years, not least of all the Noachean flood. Something like that could have played a part in turning some of the regions you mention into deserts.

[American Constitutionalist]

" The UNITED STATES wants the United Nations Security Council to declare GLOBAL WARMING/The Religion of Climate Change to be a WORLDWIDE THREAT "

It all comes down to OVER POPULATION.

It's a world wide threat to the elitist's enjoyment of the best things in life here on Earth.

That's what it is all about, the environmental movement was created as a excuse , agenda, and " the means justify the end " way of population control by the New World Order elitist.
It was never, never, never planned to control pollution or the " SAVE THE EARTH " propaganda from the Envirowackos.

They are moving us ever closer and closer to world wide population control, and if you want a hint in what that means, just take a look at the Nationalist Socialist movement called the GERMAN NAZI movement of the 1930's 1940's and see what they did.
In the New World Order elitist folk's mind, this world is full of " Undesirables " who's population needs to be put under control, so the elitists can enjoy the resources of this world that was meant only for them.
The " ENVIRONMENTAL " movement is just a instrument to rid the world of the over population problem in the NWO folk's mind.

[American Constitutionalist]

" Only, The church of climatology is not a fringe - it belongs to the top echelons of world political and economic power. "

It's a out of control dangerous cult like the JONES TOWN cult with Jim Jones.

[American Constitutionalist]

The Global Warming Deception is nothing more than , as you stated, the elitist's deception to control the masses, and as some do not realize, population control.
This world is getting to populated for their own good, so they have to find a way to correct this inconvenient problem( amazing, where have we heard this world before ? as in ? the Inconvenient Truth ... actually, if they were honest, it's the UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH that the masses are ruining their pleasures in this world and way of life for the elitist, so they have to do something about it ).
The elitist want to enjoy the fruits of the " GOOD THINGS IN LIFE " only for them selves, and they see the undesirable masses as a threat to their way of life.

[American Constitutionalist]

If the Liberal Elitist were honest ?

The truth be told ?

The GLOBAL WARMING, ENVIRONMENTAL fear and scare movement should be re-named :

THE WORLD WIDE GLOBAL WARMING ENVIRONMENTAL POPULATION CONTROL GENOCIDE MOVEMENT.