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Study: Marriage does not improve children's development
SFGate: The Mommy Files ^ | 7/20/11 | Amy Graff

Posted on 07/20/2011 11:38:44 AM PDT by SmithL

Study after study has shown that children with married parents are better off, and our society has embraced the idea that children should be raised by married adults. The latest research digs deep into this long-held belief and reveals an interesting twist.

A new British study finds that kids of married parents are more intellectually advanced than those born out of wedlock, but this has nothing to do with marriage. Rather it's a reflection of the types of people who tend to get married and those who don't, . . .

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: attackonmarriage; deindustrialization; depopulation; education; fascism; homonaziagenda; homonazism; homosexualagenda; malthusian; marriage; moralabsolutes; psychology
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To: ExTxMarine

Yes, and where did that idea come from? From the femi-Nazi’s and their KRAP? My chin almost hit the desk when I saw the video of Obamajaad spewing the nonsense about ‘he didn’t want his daughters to be ‘punished’ with an unwanted child because of their actions’. I guess I always believed babies were a gift...a little miracle in themselves, in fact.


41 posted on 07/20/2011 1:39:47 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC

Where did it come from?
Communist agitators and rebellion to Christianity.


42 posted on 07/20/2011 1:41:39 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: RowdyFFC
I guess I always believed babies were a gift...a little miracle in themselves, in fact.

Just last night on the news, they were talking about "designer babies." Where the parents could choose the sex and are working on choosing the hair color and eye color, etc...

My youngest daughter asked my recent high-school graduate if she could, what would she want. My recent grad said, "Healthy!"

Made me so dang proud!! My wife and I have FOUR daughters, because we were trying for ONE boy - LOL! But they were all healthy and we loved the fact that they were born unto us!
43 posted on 07/20/2011 1:46:07 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: SmithL
Here is a link to the actual UK study.

http://www.ifs.org.uk/comms/comm120.pdf

I haven't made my way through the whole study yet. But glancing at the table of contents, it appears the only comparisons made were between cohabiting couples and married couples. I am aware that married couples have a higher education level, and I am not surprised that their children will do better than couples with a lower education level.

I do not find reference in the study's table of contents to the important comparison of married vs. cohabiting couples with the same education level. Comparing couples with the same education level would give a better view to determine if the children of married couples have an advantage. My common sense indicates that they would.

44 posted on 07/20/2011 1:50:26 PM PDT by jeannineinsd
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To: RowdyFFC
Strong, well off, happy families who aren’t dependent on the government are enemies of these communists.

Families can be strong and happy without being dependent upon the government even if they are not well off financially.

A strong, healthy family is always well off, regardless of financial situation.

45 posted on 07/20/2011 1:53:19 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: ExTxMarine

As so you should be proud!! So very mature thinking!

When I had mine we hadn’t a clue what they were going to be. I was lucky and got one each. My son and his wife, even tho they had sonograms, never would look at the pictures or let the doctors tell them the gender. Even though they had two boys and tried for the third time for a daughter. He was ready to stop at the two boys because he said it was like having a house full of puppys in constant motion and he couldn’t imagine three of them with their motors running. lol I softened him up though and told him every Daddy needed a daughter if possible. And mothers always enjoyed having a daughter/best friend. When that little girl was born, I don’t think he put her down for three weeks! My daughter-in-law joked and said she was getting jealous! lol


46 posted on 07/20/2011 2:05:48 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: Paperdoll
It takes a unselfish and mature man and woman to make a good marriage.

Absolutely and without question.

It takes a mother and a father well inundated with God’s rules for living contained in the Holy Bible to be good enough parents to raise happy and healthy children.

I totally disagree. Our daughter was perfectly happy and healthy without any inundation of the Bible from her parents. That she totally enjoys her Youth groups, vacation bible school and Sunday church services are a plus and do add to her overall well being, but none of that caused her to be a happy or healthy child.

47 posted on 07/20/2011 2:06:50 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

Yes, I know, was raised in one...dirt poor farmer girl here...but we had everything we needed in and of ourselves. But communists especially don’t like ‘well off’ outside of the government. That is a threat to their power and control if you can get around their controls with your own money.


48 posted on 07/20/2011 2:17:08 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: buwaya
"It will not help to just make these people marry, that I get."

That's kind of a red herring. Nobody ever made them marry, is making them marry, or will make them marry. I don't know of anybody who has ever advocated 'making' people marry. What I alluded to in my response, was a well-known cultural cluster of marriage, religion, education, personal responsibility and motivation.

"Is there some other way to “fix” them ?"

Restoration of that cultural cluster: not "just" marriage. but all the components wherever one can have an impact.

BTW, this is something I just ran across today: an article about the Talitha Kuom Institute (Link), which seems to be one of those components: a church-sponsored therapeutic-nursery project for kids in Waco, TX who are in 4th and 5th generation poverty ("poverty" doesn't begin to describe it: it's 4th and 5th generation family and personal disintegration) where the volunteers are trying to literally rescue their brain development by giving them what used to be called ..."mothering".

That's one way. One in the cluster. In my opinion, our choices are


49 posted on 07/20/2011 2:24:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (When you sit down and think of it, there's no hope. When you stand up and act, there's hope.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; wagglebee; All
Another excellent post from Mrs. Don-o.

Ho-hum.

How are you, Mrs. D? :)

50 posted on 07/20/2011 2:24:50 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SmithL

We need a study on why all these studies are total BS.


51 posted on 07/20/2011 2:36:52 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm done with political parties. The GOP is useless. Anarchy is perferable to this CRAP!)
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To: trisham
Pretty well, thanks be to God. I've got to go out and pull a BUNCH of weeds so I can plan some butterbeans, but I'm going to wait until it's not so #@!$#@ hot.

And you?

52 posted on 07/20/2011 2:39:03 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mrs Lindsay: "You're looking cool, Yogi." Yogi Berra: "Thanks, you're not looking so hot yourself.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Not bad. :) I really need to go out and weed around my tomatoes, but my deck/container plantings (basil, thai peppers, some other varieties of peppers, rosemary and parsley, along with some flowers) are all doing well. We're expecting high temps this week with peak of 100 degrees or more this Friday.

Nice to see you. Seems like a while. :)

53 posted on 07/20/2011 2:45:31 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Paperdoll

I am speaking of statistical models here -

Independent variables - those that are not generated or affected by the model. These are causes, if you will, not effects, input, not output.

Dependent variables - those that are generated or influenced by the model. Effects, not causes.

The argument of the paper in question is that marriage states AND childhood outcomes are dependent on other causes, and that marriage states are not independent.


54 posted on 07/20/2011 3:04:12 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Mrs. Don-o

There are many attempts and more speculation along these lines. None seem to be based on a good scientific basis, seeing that our understanding is so limited.

The usual subtext in sociology research is to come up with some public (government) policy. This is a problem with the whole field I think, it tends to corrupt research. I don’t know if this particular set of problems can be positively affected by public policy at all.

Some proposals regarding marriage specifically include encouraging marriage by tying it to some government benefits; this sort of policy is what this study seems to be intended to evaluate.


55 posted on 07/20/2011 3:10:17 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Fledermaus

They are BS if they are intended to support some policy; we just don’t know enough about human nature to use such studies as a reliable tool for this.

It is getting more and more necessary to get to the bottom of that problem with human nature though. We are messing with things that we don’t understand, sometimes out of ideological whims, sometimes through plain necessity, as we can’t put technological genies back in their bottles. We need to know whats going on.


56 posted on 07/20/2011 3:16:40 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

People who are already morally bankrupt often can’t be helped. But those whose life choices are not carved in stone will benefit from the truth. Even midlife, people can change sometimes, more often if the truth is told; less so if lies are all they hear.


57 posted on 07/20/2011 3:26:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SmithL

I doubt the study, but also, what’s the difference?

Whether it’s the marriage itself that is best for kids, or simply that the kids have parents who value marriage, the result is the same — those kids raised by parents who value marriage enough to stay married do best.


58 posted on 07/20/2011 4:09:42 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Gabz

Then I would say that her parents were raised by people who knew right from wrong and believed in a higher power. I am glad she is getting exposed to her Creator now.


59 posted on 07/20/2011 5:06:14 PM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE BUSHS!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Absolutely. Restoring the natural family and personal responsibility, based on a cultural standard of morality, is the only answer, and is not a quick fix. There is no quick fix.


60 posted on 07/20/2011 5:56:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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