There's been an invasion here lately...shades of '08. They really need to get a new mantra, though..this one is getting tiresome.
Posted on 07/09/2011 6:52:15 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
Polls show there's an anti-Mormon bias among voters - especially Democrats, more than a quarter of whom say they wouldn't vote for a Mormon. But this video of a Memphis Fox affiliate ridiculing Mitt Romney about his religion is a real wake-up call [video]. The whole news segment appears to be about Mormonism and the 2012 election, but skip ahead to the 3:20 mark for the worst of it [video].
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That's one of the best descriptions of mormonism I've ever seen!
Joseph Smith set up a huge scam that is ongoing today.
I refuse to vote for a man (or woman) who has taken this oath in what to him is his sacred temple:
"You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion."
Does anyone believe that Romney will consider the welfare of the country over that of his church? I don't. Trading the Obama theocracy for the mormon theocracy, (and don't think there won't be an attempt to establish just that) would be devastating.
Mormonism teaches that it is foreordained that during the millennium the "righteous" (read mormons) will rule.
"President John Taylor taught: “The Lord will be king over all the earth, and
all mankind literally under his sovereignty, and every nation under the heavens
will have to acknowledge his authority, and bow to his scepter. Those who serve
him in righteousness will have communications with God, and with Jesus; will
have the ministering of angels, and will know the past, the present, and the
future; and other people, who may not yield full obedience to his laws,
nor be fully instructed in his covenants, will, nevertheless, have to yield full
obedience to his government. For it will be the reign of God upon the earth, and
he will enforce his laws, and command that obedience from the nations of the
world which is legitimately his right” (Teachings of Presidents of the
Church: John Taylor [2001], 225).
And you assume that a candidate's faith won't intersect and impact political ideology why?
Many, many quotes from Lds' top leaders have cropped up saying that if the Mormon "prophet" says to do something -- even if wrong; even if political; you are to do it. [I'll post them later] Romney swore to fulfill the Mormon Law of Consecration -- which includes devoting all a person is and their resources to "Zion" -- which Mormons define only as the Mormon church. They've sworn to it with an oath in their temple endowments that they'll cut or have cut their throat if they don't fulfill their promise.
... LDS may be a cult but today it’s a harmless one...
And you've been a cult expert superimposing this view on others how long? (Please define "harmless")
The history of religion also shows that a multitude of religious founders and their followers all commonly have claimed to be the “one true” faith...To this day, many Christian bodies claim to be the one true faith in an apostate world...
Perhaps. And since the supposed "one true faith" of Mormonism (Mormonism claims to be the "ONLY true and living church on the face of the earth" -- Doctrine & Covenants 1:30) claims the rest are "apostates"...please inform us of your religio-political history as to how many of these claimers of "the one true faith" then tried to go to the people who they called "apostates" and say, "See, how 'inspiring' it is that we have labeled you an 'apostate.' Can I have your vote, please?"
But this doesn’t matter so long as such views are not imposed on others.
Since when hasn't the Mormon church tried to "impose" their worldview that the rest of us are "apostates" who believe in 100% creeds that are an "abomination" to them? This is what they teach world-wide via 52,000 missionaries, curricula, online packaging, books, conferences, etc.
Romney’s inability to discern is evidenced with his being herded by the liberati in Massatwoshits and creating ‘RomneyCare’ which is the ugly slug Ted Kennedy and co. sought to have in Mass as a trial run for the sort of monster now called ‘Obamacare’. The same sort of lack of discernment is evident in Juan McInsane, also.
So you don’t think Islamism is a greater evil than Mormanism? How many Morman suicide bombers have you ever heard of?
It will not convert, but only alienate.
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Yes I do think it is a greater evil. Because it masquarades as a Christian church, Islam doesn’t.
Satan is a subtle deciever and at least with Islam people would never think they are ‘just another Christian church’.
Ever hear of the Mountain Meadows Massacre? That was the original 9-11. Also, the LDS believe that when Christ returns to Missouri he will set up a Mormon theocracy here in America, that is their ultimate goal, a return to the theocracy they had in Utah before the 1890’s.
And you are wrong about it not converting. I know at least 3 active freepers who left Mormonism because of what we do, and one who changed his mind about converting. Every soul is precious to the Lord.
Did you know that in Haiti, the LDS church joined up with a MUSLIM organization and refused to partner with any Christian groups? Their sympathies are with Islam, not Christians.
As a Christian, I cannot stand shoulder to shoulder with a heretic, demonically inspired group. That would be denouncing my God.
No wonder the WWII generation was labeled the "Great Generation." People today, represented by posters like yourself, too frequently conclude, "Nope. Can't handle multi-tasking. One foe at a time, thank you."
Higgmeister, just face it: A LOT of conservatives take their cultural cues from people like Jesus Christ and the apostle Paul.
Here's Jesus:
"I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." (Luke 12:4-5)
So does Jesus say, "worry about the 'greater evil of Islam?' (Nope)
Instead, does He say to exercise fear of the One who has authority to cast somebody into hell? (Yes)
So, indeed, our "fear" is on behalf of those who are placing their eternal spiritual lives at risk.
As for "uniting" vs. this 'greater evil," I could probably guess that the folks who the apostle Paul warned the church @ Ephesus about had the bulk in common with the sheep there. Both groups were "religious." So, did Paul play the "allies"-game-don't-divide-us-some posters play? (No)
As Paul was leaving the church of Ephesus, he warned them with this high-priority alert:
"I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears." (Acts 20:29-31)
Paul's cultural priority? (Defend against the false disciples who will proselytize the flock and draw away men unto themselves!)
Tell us something, higgmeister: If you did something tearfully night and day for three years, do you think it's rather important? So what? We're just to conclude, "Oh, the man who contributed a good chunk to the New Testament -- what does he know about cultural priorities?"
I think a lot of anti-Mormon bigotry is just based on ignorance. The things that originally made the LDS church persecuted and hated, such as polygamy, were officiallly repudiated by the Mormons a century ago. From the point of view of orthodox Christianity Mormonism may indeed be a cult. But so what? It’s now a harmless cult and Mormons have been a productive and successful part of our political and economic culture.
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In my case, it is based upon knowledge and experience. The LDS doctrines have not changed much and they are still a cult. Many LDS actually support gay marriage because they know the next step is polygamy and a desire to return to that. And Polygamy was still practices until the 1930’s btw, long after the declaration against it (which only happened because they were unincorporated). The PR was that the LDS fought Prop 8, but the reality is they didn’t fight as hard or as much as they claim they did. They still believe in a theocracy. They are just biding their time. I speak from PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS.
Harmelss? NOTHING that makes that may people believe in a false Christ is harmless. Part of the economic culture? Utah leads the country in bankruptcies and foreclosures. Yeah that’s a benifit.
Sorry, it appears from your posts on this thread that you ARE judging those of us who, having an extensive knowledge of mormonism, are qualified to judge its anti-Christian nature.
I haven’t and will not study Mormonism, mostly because I don’t care about it.
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If you are a Christian, you SHOULD care. Being nice or being conservative doesn’t save you. Some things are more important than politics.
And if Romney get the nomination, we WILL have Obama for a second term because then the focus will be on
BTW, check the category, this IS a religion thread. Debating religion and faith is importatn because if you don’t stand for something, you will fall for anything.
I mean this sincerely, your attitude makes you a prime candidate for the Mormon missionaries. We were taught to seek out those who thought Mormons were “nice” and “family oriented”, who prayed but didn’t’ know their Bible well and who didn’t want to debate ‘religion’. They were perfect candidates for conversion.
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What an obvious straw man you build here. It appears you have accused Ansel of "rationalizing the joy you take in dividing people as the best way to win souls" and then accuse him of ignoring abortion....
Hmmm...what is that old saying? "A hit dog yelps the loudest"?
To impugn the patriotism or sincerity of a Mormon on the basis of his religious beliefs, rather that his politics, is to go back to the days when many said that a Roman Catholic shouldn’t be president because his loyalty to America would conflict with a loyalty to Rome
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Don’t buy the lie that it is the same thing JFK did. It isn’t. They are not harmless and their teachings are contrary to the good of this country.
His relgion DOES matter because it would affect how he would govern. Feelings before facts (Mormon testimony), Mormons are the ‘real’ Israel (replacement theology), their love and affiliation with Islam, gay marriage as the door to bring back polygamy, that Romney believes he is fulfilling Mormon prophecy, the LDS practice of “Lying for the Lord”.
The GOVERNMENT cannot institute a religious test for office, but Christians CAN AND SHOULD.
ALL Protestants, Catholics and Orthodox all deem the LDS to be heretic. If you knew anything about Mormonism, you would know just how unChrsitian they are. They deny the Trinity, make Christ a created being who had to earn his Godhood, believe in many many Gods (’without number’) and deny that Christ paid for sins on the Cross.
And Romney’s loyalty IS to the LDS church first. He even made covenants in the temple to that affect (Catholics have no such covenants).
Before you take the high road and claim Mormonism shouldn’t be a factor, go out and read this book. The author makes a great case for why we should not vote for Mormons (and doesn’t say that about Catholics). Read the book and you will see things different.
http://whensaltlakecitycalls.wordpress.com/
Couldn’t sleep. Hot and humid here and the AC isn’t working.
I once dated a guy who looked a lot like that.
You’ve distorted or misunderstood what I said as well as attributing things to me I didn’t say. I never explicitly or implicitly said that moral character wasn’t important. By the way, why don’t you start a committee of Inquisition to examine candidates and make certain they fulfill your personal standards of religious acceptability. You can be a 21st century Torquemada!
I say again, have you ever known of any Mormon Suicide Bombers? Islam is the greater evil and the most dire threat.
Absolutely! There are plenty of reasons for opposing Romney but let’s leave his personal religious affiliation out of the public debate and focus on the real issues like, as you said, RomneyCare.
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If Romney does manage to get the nom, his ‘religion’ will be front and center.
Are you going to vote for him then?
Part of the reason this country is in the mess it is in, is because of attitudes like yours that religion doesn’t matter. For Christians it SHOULD matter, because worldview affects politics.
Now, if you aren’t a Christian, then it doesn’t matter I guess.
BTW, Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox are at least in partial communion with one another (now) so equating the 30 yrs war with Mormonism in American politics is a straw man.
There's been an invasion here lately...shades of '08. They really need to get a new mantra, though..this one is getting tiresome.
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