Posted on 07/09/2011 6:52:15 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
Polls show there's an anti-Mormon bias among voters - especially Democrats, more than a quarter of whom say they wouldn't vote for a Mormon. But this video of a Memphis Fox affiliate ridiculing Mitt Romney about his religion is a real wake-up call [video]. The whole news segment appears to be about Mormonism and the 2012 election, but skip ahead to the 3:20 mark for the worst of it [video].
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Absolutely! There are plenty of reasons for opposing Romney but let’s leave his personal religious affiliation out of the public debate and focus on the real issues like, as you said, RomneyCare.
Where in any post did I say I was wasting time?
I meant by posting on FR I can’t directly help Romney.
Absolutely! There are plenty of reasons for opposing Romney but let’s leave his personal religious affiliation out of the public debate and focus on the real issues like, as you said, RomneyCare.
Coming up with a Hie machine is tricky....
Romney is troublesome at best. His overall policy stance may be noticeably to the right of, say, Harry Reid, but there have been a lot of flips in his past and as best as can be told he is a laissez-faire mush on abortion.
The whole meaning of that remark escapes you and your reply sounds like something that should be preached from a pulpit.
I did see your post after I responsded. It is wrong and unchristian to assume ALL you can do is pray. Will you meet every single Mormon? No, but you can meets some and witeness those you do meet. There are even Catholic missionary groups to the Mormon pageants in the summer.
Again, where did I ever question your Love of the Lord? I did not.
It isn’t mocking someones religion, it is what the LDS church teaches, that they will become a God.
Mocking would be bringing out quotes about the Mormons that teach that vegetables have spirits and ‘spirit babies’ (also a Mormon doctrine but not in use since the 1850’s)
Again, I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt since you are new to FR. Here is a heads up, the Religion forum is a contentious area of FR and the debates get heated.
Yes, but I do not want to attack the Mormon religion when we all should stand united against the much greater evil of Islam. We will have a chance to convert Mormons later after the War against Islam is decided.
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First, as a Christians, I CANNOT stand untied with Mormons on ANYTHING, even against Islam. It would be the same as standing with Satanists.
Second, don’t assume Mormons are against Islam, either. Mormonism is very similar to Islam and there were several articles last here on FR about how the LDS are choosing to side in with muslims over Christians (Haiti, Muslims given seats of honor at LDS events, the rise of Muslims at BYU). Smith even claimed to be a ‘second Mohamed’ and said it would be “Mormonism or the sword”. Mormons are NOT our friends in this fight. You are right about Mitt, he will support Islam rather than fight against it.
Third, why do you assume we can’t multitask? I can fight both Muslims and Mormons.
Fouth, the War against Islam will not be decided until Christ returns and by then it will be too late for millions of souls who have been sent to hell by Mormonism. No thanks, I don’t want that on my conscience.
I am constantly amazed at how short sighted and worldly so many FReepers are when it comes to religion.
Should have held out for a whole planet.
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LOL. And eternal polygamy, and eternal celestial sex, all the fun stuff.
Of course, the down side is having billions of ‘spirit babies’ around the house. Can you imagine the cacophony?
Paying lip service to and practicing are two different mindsets. Dems pay lip service to religion......the rest of us practice our faith. IF you practice your faith, forgetaboutit. Just by the looks of Ramsey with his loyal wife and children lined up, they KNOW he practices. Like Sarah with her down syndrome child, they KNOW. Therefore, they know who to hate. Not all that hard to figure out.
But the whole point is that his personal faith is irrelevant.
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It is not irrelevant, because his faith is part of why he is running so hard and will say/do anything to get elected (he believes he is the fulfillment of prophecy). Now that is true of most politicians, however Romney has the LDS Inc and its billions of dollars and millions of members on his side and that will give him an advantage over others.
It is also relevant because it will dictate should , (God forbid) he actually gets elected.
That is actual Mormon doctrine. It really is. Why is it mocking to ask people if they know what Mormon doctrine actually states?
I’m worried about you if you didn’t pick up on that. It was typical media bias.
I'm a bit concerned that you aren't aware that the thing about the planets (Mormons usually use the word "worlds") is actual, honest-to-Pete Mormon doctrine. No one is making it up.
Since when is repeating someone's belief "mocking" them?
Mormons actually believe that they will become Gods on their own worlds in the afterlife if they are "worthy". Nothing funny about it.
Well said.
Agreed...waffling many times over on abortion, embryonic research, treating homosexual employees as a minority. Also, same-sex "marriage" occurred on his watch; RomneyCare; Board member of a porn establishment (Marriott); plus, I tend not to vote for candidates who think they are either a god or will become one.
...but let’s leave his personal religious affiliation out of the public debate...
Why? 62% of Americans don't...why are you trying to impose your position on the majority of American's who don't leave this component out?
Documentation:
A Freeper posted a Rasmussen poll less than about 4.5 years ago (late 2006) [see Election 2008: 43% Would Never Vote for Mormon Candidate (Rasmussen Poll) ].
According to that excerpt: The Rasmussen Reports survey found that 35% say that a candidate's faith and religious beliefs are very important in their voting decision. Another 27% say faith and religious beliefs are somewhat important. Ninety-two percent (92%) of Evangelical Christian voters consider a candidate's faith and beliefs important. On the partisan front, 78% of Republicans say that a candidate's faith is an important consideration, a view shared by 55% of Democrats. However, there is also a significant divide on this topic within the Democratic Party. Among minority Democrats, 71% consider faith and religious beliefs an important consideration for voting. Just 44% of white Democrats agree.
So…what % of the following groups found that a candidate’s faith and religious beliefs are an important consideration for voting?
(1) Americans: 62%
(2) Evangelical Christians: 92%
(3) Republicans: 78%
(4) Democrats: 55% [still a majority]
...and focus on the real issues...
Well, I've constantly reminded posters that when they vote, they should consider MANY things: voting record, present position statements & rampant inconsistency of past position statements, social issues' stances, character, viability, scandal-free past, etc.
But why are you & so many FREEPERS being Pollyannish about the reality of deception -- including spiritual deception?
Deception exists in the world. That's reality. And when compared to trustworthy sources of truth (the Bible), deception exists as a continuum. If we agreed that a candidate belongs to the most deceptive cult in the world, then certainly that candidate's vulnerability to deception in the most important area of his life--his faith--serves as an indicator that he/she might be more easily deceived in public policy issues. "Vulnerability to deception" belongs on a character checklist! Even one 2007 poll indicated that 54% of Americans would not vote for an atheist.
T.L. Sink: How posters like you try to get around the realization that other-worldly commitments (faith) belong in the character issue category??? To try to extract such other-worldly commitments from character is simply not possible. Time & time again folks try to hermetically seal "faith" & "religion" away from the public square as if folks checked their faith at the door or as if folks were neatly cut-up pie pieces. (ANY of you posters: Just try telling any voter that he should never weigh "character" into his/her voting-decision considerations!).
A POTUS goes beyond administrative duties. Discernment is a very important character trait...and that's not listed as a POTUS duty.
Challenging Mormonism is a task that all of us are obligated to do, Catholics included.
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You get it, brother Ansel. It is our Christian duty to warn others and expose unbiblical teachings, wherever we find them.
Sadly, I think a lot of this ‘live and let live’ and “I can’t do anything” attitude is why this country is in the mess it is in.
It reminds me of those who say “I don’t care if someone is gay, it doesn’t affect me”. Well it does, all darkness affects all of us and giving the LDS (or anyone) a ‘pass’ because they appear conservative isn’t doing anyone any good.
Reid and Romney are both temple mormons. They both agreed to follow the “rules” for this temple certificate. They are the same, unless its true Reid is pro-life then that part is different.
Since I cannot get within 2 feet of Romney, how am I to tell him the truth and would he believe me if I did. One must be ready to accept the truth and I don’t believe he is.
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Perhaps not, but Romney isn’t the only Mormon. There are millions of LDS in this country, and even though the numbers are dwindling there are many you CAN reach.
The internet is a great thing in that way. Another thing you could do would be to warn others of the dangers of Mormonism. There is at least one freeper who was about to join the Mormon church who changed his mind because of the threads on here about Mormonism, and I know of at least 3 freepers who have left Mormonism because of the debates and information here.
And I admire your openness about your faith. I am the same way. When I was teaching at a University in California, I was told I could not wear my cross because it might offend someone, yet I refused to stop even though it got me a reputation in the department.
You might have a point if mormonISM were Christianity, it is not.
Many posters echo the 'leave his religious beliefs out of this'. In bygone eras of this nation that would have been laughed at. Today, political correctness run amok becomes part of a strategery, to cower people into silence. It doesn't prevent even the silenced folks from applying the lens of 'religious values are a reflection of one's ability to discern truth', but it tends to stop opposition from exposing a major weakness in Mitt Romney, and that is perhaps the goal with these sorts of threads. After all, the political battle is said to be over the mushy middle, just the sorts of folks who will sit down and shut up when PC is waved at them.
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