Posted on 07/09/2011 10:06:40 AM PDT by ejdrapes
Bachmann Stands By Marriage Pact That Links Slavery to Black Family Values Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann is standing firm behind a pledge she signed Thursday that promotes marriage and social conservative values, but includes a passage that suggests black families were in better shape during slavery. The Family Leader, an Iowa-based conservative group led by Bob Vander Plaats, issued the pledge formally called, "The Marriage Vow – A Declaration of Dependence Upon Marriage and Family." The two page document condemns gay marriage, abortion, pornography and infidelity. But perhaps the most controversial part is found in the preamble where the state of the black family in the slave era is compared to today. "Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA's first African-American President," the document reads. Click here to read the document.
By Stephen Clark
Published July 09, 2011
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Actually, I know you’re a Palin guy and thought you had just flipped your lid. ROFL. It’s just been that kind of a wierd day.
I must admit I missed it. You should write one of those semi-news parodies, because it seemed so real. There are a lot of people with a “chosen” candidate that will brush aside a negative by playing to another positive emotion, so I just figured it was real.
I will put sarc next time :)
> “There is NOBODY alive today who is not descended from slaves. Slavery was the NORM for most of history.”
Good point. Though how much time has passed since then does make a difference, some blacks rose up from slavery in just a few years (Up from Slavery by Booker T. Washington). After a hundred and fifty years — no matter how bad slavery was — people should be accountable for their own actions (in fact, I think most persons should be accountable for what they do even under the worst of conditions).
> “the Japanese interment”
Should make that ‘internment’. An interment is harder to get over. :-)
This is not about political correctness. It really isn’t. It’s about accuracy and meaningless statistics.
Saying that more children are raised in a 2 parent home during slavery contrasted with now is like saying that if you have your feet in a freezer and your head in a hot oven, your average body temp is 98.6. It’s MEANINGLESS.
You are contrasting the voluntarily broken black households of today with shacks not in the possession of a trapped “family” that could be sold or split apart ANY DAY. These people were PROPERTY. You can’t compare that to any choice of a free person.
A better comparison for today’s situation would be the very segregated situation of black families in the difficult 1930s. Real racism was all around, yet black Americans in that day, against all odds, were mostly raised in 2-parent families.
“The truth. .....something the majority of the electorate shrinks from. Much respect to Bachmann for standing with it unashamedly.”
And respect to you as well, for pointing that out.
Just sayin’....
Last stats I read it's about 80% out of wedlock.
> “A better comparison for today’s situation would be the very segregated situation of black families in the difficult 1930s. Real racism was all around, yet black Americans in that day, against all odds, were mostly raised in 2-parent families.”
Yes. I moved toward that position later, after making my initial comment about political correctness (but not referring specifically to Bachmann). I didn’t take any kind of pledge, so I was free to wiggle in whichever direction I wished. :-)
OK Michelle (hope you’re reading this)
All you have to say is:
“I agree that the democrat slave owners treated black folks a lot better than do the current socialist control freaks...the welfare-party democrats.”
I didn’t put any words in your mouth. I simply continued your own logic to its reasonable conclusion, which is we don’t really need to give her much credit. After all, she didn’t raise all those children entirely.
I was simply continuing your logic, which is if she didn’t then somehow that was lesser.
I exaggerated for effect, but that was the main thrust of your comment. If you don’t like the implication of what you said, then I can’t help you there.
Not looking for, nor do I require, your “thumbs up”.
Just shining light on the question: Is “political saavy” the highest and greatest attribute of a great leader?
If you think so, we disagree. If you don’t think so, then maybe we should start judging our candidates on something more important than “political saavy.” I can think of a number of people with political saavy that I don’t want to be our next president.
We are not, after all, the Left.
Not too busy to write dribble about how we should all seek the approval of the Left apparently, and fearfully coddle them by altering our behavior to make sure we don’t offend our Marxist masters.
They would not have suddenly started living in stable family situations immediately if they had never done so before.
This is not some wild, unsubstantiated claim that you are making it out to be. At best it is arguable.
Listen, there are two ways you can go with political candidates. The left insulates theirs against any and all criticism and hides every inconvenient gaff. This produces moral monsters like Ted Kennedy and incompetents like Obama.
The right, goaded on by the left, destroys its own. No matter how outlandish the claim against a conservative candidate, people like you will take up the battle cry with the media and the worst of the left to destroy him. To survive as a republican, a candidate must be so tepid as to never threaten leftist conventional wisdom. Pick nearly any republican.
The point of the exercise is that the current welfare state has been a disastrous failure. But you would rather lend your support to that welfare state by attacking anyone who doesn't have a perfect argument against it. You are motivated by your own ego and need to demonstrate how scholarly and objective you are.
Your moral exhibitionism isn't worth a pitcher of warm spit.
If you think so, we disagree. If you don’t think so, then maybe we should start judging our candidates on something more important than “political saavy.”
Don't jump to conclusions. You're running off in a wild direction here.
Political savvy is just one attribute that any presidential candidate needs, among many. A successful politician needs to have a real grasp and understanding of how others perceive what they do and say. To be oblivious to this, is to literally walk in darkness, as far as politics is concerned. A politician who does this will not last long in the big time. Sorry, but that is simply the way of the world.
I don't have any particular dislike of Michele Bachmann, but she's demonstrated a marked propensity for political cluelessness recently. I wouldn't say that this latest is a biggie, but it does seem to be par for the course for her.
That's not a good harbinger of things to come from her.
I swear, they must not teach reading comprehension in the New York City public schools. I know for a fact that I wrote the exact opposite of what you're wailing about.
Another day, another gaffe.
Conservative group backtracks on marriage pledge slavery language
I agree WF, MB is proving herself to be a gaffe-prone liability in the 2012 race with a paper thin resume and no major legislative accomplishments. That’s why we have primaries though to see who is best qualified for the job of POTUS.
I agree.
It's an absurd meaningless comparison.
Let's try another one.
One could go kidnap a young family and hold them in a dungeon for 20 years and at the end of those 20 years you will still have both parents together with their kids.
Compare that to the rest of the population where you will have a lower percentage of two parent families.
So what's the point of that comparison?
There is none really, it's absurd.
And so is the comparison on the pledge.
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