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1 posted on 06/24/2011 5:40:26 AM PDT by Steve495
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I’ve had an interesting experience arguing with a leftist who was either unwilling or unable to understand the plain language of the 10th Amendment.


2 posted on 06/24/2011 5:56:49 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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When slamming the founding fathers, I think a writer shows poor judgment by deciding to discuss how the founding fathers treated California and South Dakota. By doing so, the writer risks looking a wee bit stupid.


3 posted on 06/24/2011 6:00:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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a blueprint for the protection of democratic freedoms — freedom of speech, assembly, religion

This isn't even true. The framers came out of Philly with a Constitution that lacked a Bill of Rights. Not that a bill of rights was a novel idea--several states had them. Many framers opposed having a bill of rights, but it was added later, in the first Congress.

4 posted on 06/24/2011 6:01:47 AM PDT by Huck (The Antifederalists were right!)
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The more I read this type of stuff, the more motivated I am to finish my short book explaining the American government. Hopefully, it will be a big seller and give people some easy to understand insight on the thinking behind our government. Especially, the thinking behind institutions like the senate and the electoral college, one of the most brilliant electoral devices ever devised.


5 posted on 06/24/2011 6:03:30 AM PDT by cotton1706
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How many more freaking times do we have to explain the “blacks are three-fifths of a person” to them... Good grief...


6 posted on 06/24/2011 6:05:27 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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Some people just need to disappear in the dead of night.


7 posted on 06/24/2011 6:21:22 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To be that miseducated suggests Mr Stengel went to an ivy league university.


8 posted on 06/24/2011 6:26:24 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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The object of the article is to point out that the founder did not know about 'Health Insurance'. That statement has two flaws.

The first is the founders knew about insurance. Insuring risk and lose goes back many hundreds of years.

Probably more important, 'Health Insurance' as Obama and company are trying to implement, is not insurance at all. It's not a sharing of risk or lose. It's a sharing of medical costs. From each according to ability, to each according to need. That not insurance. It's Communism.

The left is playing word games and the right is letting them get away with it.

9 posted on 06/24/2011 6:27:40 AM PDT by CharlyFord
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Wow, just from your excerpt...

but they also gave us the idea that a black person was three-fifths of a human being

... no knowledge of history

that women were not allowed to vote

Where does it say *that* in the U.S. Constitution?

and that South Dakota should have the same number of Senators as California, which is kind of crazy.

Idiot. Again, ignorant of history, and of the entire purpose of *having* a Senate instead of just the House.

10 posted on 06/24/2011 6:34:33 AM PDT by Sloth (If a tax cut constitutes "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should count as a "desposit.")
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I can only come up with ONE possible business model, that works, that Time might be following:

They hope that Obama forms a dictatorship or monarchy, and that they could become one of the official news organs, because they (Time) have demonstrated such loyalty to communism and fascism over the decades.

No other business model works.

12 posted on 06/24/2011 6:42:48 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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Wow. Most people, if THAT ignorant - chose to remain silent.

People in a condition of involuntary servitude were counted as 3/5ths for the purposes of apportionment. Indians not taxed were counted as zero. It all had to do if you were part of the system (a taxed Indian counted as one), a slave of the system (counted as 3/5ths), or not part of the system at all (an Indian not taxed = 0).

It would be in the interest of the Slave States to have them count as one. The 3/5ths compromise indicated that the elected Representative of a Slave State did not completely represent the interests of his slave constituents - but at best only 3/5ths of his interests.

Women voting was not mentioned in the Constitution - voting requirements were left up to the States.

14 posted on 06/24/2011 6:49:12 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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For the last forty years, leftists have been dreaming of a fundamental alteration of U.S. government and society. With Obama in office, they see their chance.


15 posted on 06/24/2011 7:01:03 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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Richard Stengel writes: “If the Constitution was intended to limit the federal government, it sure doesn’t say so.”

Yes, it does. The Tenth Amendment says: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Even before the adoption of the Bill of Rights, James Madison explained the original understanding of the document in Federalist 45: “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.”

So, Ricard, are you ignorant, stupid, or a liar? Or perhaps more than one. Whatever. Time editors should have known better. Probably they did, but hey, ever time Time stoops to a new low that doesn’t seem possible, they do it again next week and stoop even lower than the winner of the Jamaican national limbo contest.

But no matter, with circulation sinking faster than the Titanic, in a couple of years no one’s going to care what the digital remnants of Time are honking about. After all, at that point the Time website will be just one of honking billions.


16 posted on 06/24/2011 7:11:56 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the right stuff!)
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Even odder is the fact that before becoming editor at Time, Rick Stengel was head of the National Constitution Center and Museum on Independence Mall in Philadelphia.


18 posted on 06/24/2011 7:30:51 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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Two senators per state was so “crazy” that our Founding Fathers made it the ONLY part of The Constitution that COULD NOT be amended.

That alone identifies the directness and unequivocable nature of their intent.


19 posted on 06/24/2011 7:35:10 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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His ignorance of the history of this country and the constitution are astounding to say the least. Not surprising coming from a Time Magazine article.


21 posted on 06/24/2011 7:46:08 AM PDT by sigzero
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totally misrepresents US Constitution

The title is correct; the article's author misrepresents the Constitution. The author does so out of his ignorance of the nation's history and his ignorance of the Constitution.

America's citizens do not need to share in the author's abject ignorance. The Constitution is readily available to read and "Conservative" sites on the Internet will send anyone a free copy. Does anyone ask why Liberal Internet sites do not make the same offer?

I strongly suggest you read the newly released book, “The Original Argument”, which contains the Constitution. Then compare what you learned with Richard Stengal’s representation of the Constitution.

I seriously doubt Richard Stengel of Time magazine would read this or be able to comprehend it if he did read it but I feel compelled to share it just the same. I truly hope there are very few Americans as ignorant as Richard Stengal but in today’s America, it is possible.

What made America great and set it apart from other lands?

Was it natural resources, no other lands are equally blessed. Was it the people, no, the people who built America came from other elsewhere. Was it government planning and wisdom that spurred our nation to great heights, no again? It wasn’t what government did that made America great, it was what government was preventing from doing that made the difference. What set America apart from other lands was freedom for the individual, freedom to work, to produce, to succeed, and especially to keep the fruits of one’s labors. American became great precisely because America prevented the stifling effect of too much government.

However, freedom in America was not totally unrestrained. Americans overwhelmingly choose to limit their actions with moral codes such as the Ten Commandments. Personal morality and limited government; it’s a combination that characterized America and made it the envy of the world.

A Firm Foundation

When our founding fathers decided they’d had enough of British oppression they broke away and declared independence. They stated as self evident truth in the Declaration of Independence “Men … are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights”. In other words, God gave man his rights and that among them are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. In the very next sentence, the founders defined the proper role of government when they stated “…that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted.”

This is the entire philosophical base of our nation. Here, the government cannot legitimately redistribute the wealth, assume power over the people’s lives and dominate man’s existence with oppressive taxation, regulations, and controls.

According to the founders, government was to be a negative force, which leaves people alone. Its sole function is to protect citizens from one another and from foreign governments, and especially from their own government itself. The founders did not create a government to be a positive force to do things for people, to take from some to give to others. They understood that when a government starts doing something for one citizen it has to take from another to do so and in the process, it gains control over both.

The Fight for Freedom

Britain’s rulers did not accept the Declaration of Independence so our forefathers had to fight a war to make it stick. By 1783, America won its war for Independence and British forces went back across the sea.

The governmental system at that time was weak. It had no power to settle disputes between the states or the power to tax for proper needs, such as defense. In 1787, delegates from twelve of the thirteen states met in Philadelphia to revise the system. They produced an entirely new governmental structure known as the Constitution of the United States. Keeping faith with the thunderous assertions in the declaration of Independence, they wrote the Constitution to govern the government, not the people, and not the states. Each state was a jealous guardian of its own sovereignty. The founders created a central government with strictly limited powers. This left the states free to compete with one another to be the best state, the one with the least amount of taxation and controls, one where citizens would want to build a business and raise a family. That spirit of competition produced excellence as honest competition always does.

It is important to note that the founders did not force the people to accept the Constitution. The Constitution went to the states for ratification and several of the founding fathers wrote essays explaining it in an effort to persuade fellow Americans to adopt this new system of government.

Some of the essays written by James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay were collected into a volume known as the Federalist Papers. Those essays provide valuable insights into the intent of the founders in establishing our government.

Eventually all thirteen states ratified the Constitution and then each ratified the first ten amendments, known as the Bill of Rights, further tying the hands of the Federal Government.

These amendments are indeed about rights but it would have been better had the Bill of Rights been labeled, The Bill of Limitations on Government. Why? Because it is vital to realize that the Bill of Rights never really gave the citizens any rights what so ever. Its sole purpose was to safe guard God given rights by limiting government power. The Bill of Rights protects your God given rights from interference by the government. The founders even insisted that Congress shall make no law about, speech, religion, the press, assembly, the right to petition, the right to keep and bear arms, and so on. The Bill of Rights directed squarely at the federal government, not the individual, and not the states. They are like most of the Ten Commandments, which are essentially thou shall not. The Bill of Rights says Congress shall not, shall not, shall not, all the way up to the marvelous tenth amendment, which says in effect, if we forgot anything you can’t do that either.

22 posted on 06/24/2011 7:48:38 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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stupid liberal interpretations of the U.S. Constitution

I visited the Time magazine Internet site to share my utter disgust at the magazine's highlighting such ignorance on the magazine's cover.

However, at the top of the page I saw, Time - in partnership with CNN and knew that arguing with idiots is not good practice.

24 posted on 06/24/2011 8:05:11 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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Glenn Beck posits the question: “Can Man Rule Himself?”

If the left think that Man cannot rule himself, then how can they endorse Men ruling over other men?

This seems to be a paradox on the left.

If Man is not qualified to rule himself then isn’t man also equally unqualified to rule over others, be those men Kings, Dictators, or even Saints?

All the apparatus of government consists of men, but if the left is correct in their assertion that man cannot rule himself then should their goal be to minimize the sins of men ruling over other men?


25 posted on 06/24/2011 8:44:03 AM PDT by GraceG
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