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Zogby Poll: Cain Takes Lead over Romney
NewsMax ^ | 5/23/11

Posted on 05/23/2011 9:43:59 PM PDT by Kartographer

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To: eeevil conservative

My answer is cuts across the board.

What a lot people don’t understand, even some Ron Paul supporters, is that Ron Paul really isn’t a Libertarian.

He’s an old-timey, traditional Conservative who believes that the Federal Government has gotten way too big, and has grown way beyond the limits that the Constitution has set for it.

Regulating Drugs is just one of many many things that the Federal Government is doing that they shouldn’t be. Worrying about school test scores. That’s what local school boards are supposed to do. And on and on and on. Many many things Ron Paul would get rid of. Some of those things you like, but most of those things you don’t like.

Every President has grown the Government. Ron Paul wants to make it much much smaller, limited to what the Constitution allows. That’s the main pole, the support for the very sturdy, bolted to the floor, diner stool of Conservatism.

9 out of 10 major cuts and abolition of agencies true hardcore conservatives would support. Ron Paul is going the whole way and saying cut absolutely everything.

More on ending the War on Drugs. If the Federal War on Drugs ended, it doesn’t mean that all Drugs would immediately be legal. State Laws are still in place, or they would be put there. Ending the Federal War on Drugs just means that if states want to start making some drugs legal (and I’d imagine marijuana would be made legal in some states) they can. I do not believe that heroin would be legal anywhere.

About Foreign Policy, well, I would say that I personally don’t agree with his 2008 position that we should close all the military bases. He probably does have the same position, but I don’t know for sure.

I think the idea is just for the federal government to scale back it’s foreign policy objectives. Focus on keeping the US safe, and less on making sure every other country does what we want it to do. We really should be getting away from the idea that the US wants some other country to do one thing or another. Maybe we can move toward a “I don’t care what happens” policy. But, I really don’t care all that much about Foreign Policy, actually, except I think Ron Paul shouldn’t talk about it that much.

Also, wanting to close the bases doesn’t bother me, because I’m fully aware that if Ron Paul became President, he couldn’t just close all the military bases. And I’m fully aware that if Ron Paul became President, there is no way that he’d be able to accomplish everything he wants to do. But what won’t happen, is growth of the Government. Everybody will be expecting cuts. And everyone will be howling about the size of those cuts. And everyone will be trying to save this thing or that thing. But it will be all about cuts.

I would recommend thinking not about what would happen if Ron Paul became President and if every Congressman became a carbon copy of Ron Paul. Because not every Congressman will become a carbon copy of Ron Paul.

He’ll have a Senate and a House with a lot a Democrats and a sizeable number of RINOs. Will massive massive cuts pass?

Think just of the direction. Going from what new spending to what new cuts. And that’s the direction I want.

The biggest problem we have right now is the Federal Government does too much. Ron Paul is the one I trust the most to make the necessary cuts, to focus only on reducing the size and scope of the Federal Government.


161 posted on 05/24/2011 9:33:35 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

thanks for your thoughtful and full response...

I think I would like most of Ron Paul would do....I know I would enjoy seeing the rest of DC implode on a daily basis when he sent everything back....

thanks again....


162 posted on 05/24/2011 9:45:51 AM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Kartographer

see post 161 about Paul.

No, seriously, I think Cain could have a better shot running as an Establishment Republican (but a Conservative one) than a Tea Party Conservative. He has Palin (potentially), Paul, and Bachmann to get that vote. If he picks the establishment side, he has Romney, Gingrich and a whole bunch of people who aren’t going to win to contend with. It’s the easier side of the bracket.

It’s somewhat serious analysis. Certainly, it’s an outcome I want, because for me, Cain would be an upgrade over Romney, Gingrich and everyone else.


163 posted on 05/24/2011 9:50:17 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom; eeevil conservative

I tired of wasting good photons on you.

You have a good day.


164 posted on 05/24/2011 9:53:41 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: eeevil conservative

The budget negotiations would be interesting. The “threat to shut down the government” situation would be different with Ron Paul as President. Ron Paul I don’t think would hesitate to shut down the government. If you don’t give me a skillion dollars in cuts, I’m not signing the budget. And that’s that.


165 posted on 05/24/2011 9:54:51 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: mylife

Mr Cain is an American, and a Southerner to boot!


166 posted on 05/24/2011 10:41:17 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: truthfreedom
I think people who could like Romney could also like Cain. A very successful businessman, for certain, with the Fed job, elite approved.

Again, I don't know enough about Cain yet. But what little I do know, I like - Navy man, experienced business executive. If he advocates a program of budgetary reform which acknowledges that the US taxpayer is at the breaking point and includes permanent structural changes in the big entitlement programs - Social Security and Medicare, I'll like him a lot more.

I do know enough about Romney to know he's not the man to fix the financial problems facing the US today - people like him are precisely why those problems exist.
167 posted on 05/24/2011 11:52:37 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: sneakers

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168 posted on 05/24/2011 1:06:31 PM PDT by sneakers ("Obama is like the dog that chased a car and caught it. Now he doesn't know what to do with it.")
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To: truthfreedom
These 5 can win the nomination - Palin, Romney, Gingrich, Paul, Bachmann

I want some of what you're smoking. It must be good stuff.

169 posted on 05/24/2011 1:11:07 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: eeevil conservative
He left the restaurant business in the late 90’s. He's running for president now. He's fumbled two foreign policy questions in just a few weeks. I don't know what he's done over the past ten years, but I know that he hasn't prepared to be president. This guy isn't ready, and the rationalizations of his supporters only make him appear less ready.
170 posted on 05/24/2011 2:34:48 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: over3Owithabrain
He actually talked about foreign policy a lot on his daily radio show, so obviously he didn't just pull out a globe this morning and say what is this.

I never heard his show, but I always assumed that he talked about both foreign policy and domestic issues. Every talk radio show on politics seems to cover both areas. That's why I was so shocked to see him fumble these questions. Your assurance that he'll be on the right side of things internationally is nice, but I'd like some evidence that he already understands the issues and understands strategies for doing what must be done.

I'm glad that you think he has a good economic vision, but he's never tried to implement any kind of economic vision from an elected office. Executive experience in business is good and relevant, but that experience isn't quite the same as dealing with a legislature.

He seems to be a great guy. I'm still looking for him to say or do things that give me any confidence that he can be a good president. Much of what he's saying is causing me to have less confidence in hm.

171 posted on 05/24/2011 2:41:57 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: WFTR

It is not a fact. I watched it myself. We are getting to the point where FR isn’t even to tolerable with you and countless other shilling for their candidates and trashing others.

A flub is Newt Gingrich last week completely sinking his campaign in one interview with politically tone deaf statements. a flub is Daniels sinking his potential candidacy time and time again with the truce bullcrap. In the course of interviews no candidate knows everything about everything. Chiris Wallace asked Cain about a specific term that probably 70% of Americans have never even heard, and answered it on the stop based on his best interpretation of the term. I had not heard that term used in years until last week. He should have been ready, yes, but it was a minor blip, at worst.


172 posted on 05/24/2011 8:30:34 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Kartographer
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173 posted on 05/24/2011 11:55:19 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: MrB

Who cares? Cain won’t wallow away and write a book.
He will make history and be the first black President.


174 posted on 05/25/2011 12:06:11 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Kartographer

Herman Cain is a fresh voice for many.

Meanwhile, Romney’s support is a hangover from 2 years ago. What’s he really done in the public eye to get excited about lately? Besides bring us Scott Brown...


175 posted on 05/25/2011 12:25:54 AM PDT by harmonium
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To: mylife

Bitter Beer Barry?

http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/may/23/Obama-Ireland-visit-bonds-of-affection/


176 posted on 05/25/2011 3:39:34 AM PDT by widdle_wabbit
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To: truthfreedom

HA HA LOL

“How am I trashing Cain?” #88

#89 “Herman Cain can’t possibly win in 2012 because
he’s not famous enough”.

FreedomFromTruth


177 posted on 05/25/2011 3:50:30 AM PDT by widdle_wabbit
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To: mylife
"Cain is unelectable, He fouled up the Pally question with Wallace. All I did was start an international incident and get my *** reamed on national television. Now I am drinking beer and tellin lies down at the pub. Did I address that Irish financial crisis?"

Anyone know what year it is?

178 posted on 05/25/2011 5:02:37 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama killed Osama and all we got were 72 versions.)
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To: truthfreedom

Wow, were you afraid we wouldn’t get your point? Do you think you repeated yourself enough?

Cain’s a completely self-made man and his specialty is solving financial crises in businesses. I know that doesn’t roll off the tongue like “elite establishment”, oh sorry, that’s “Elite Establishment”, but MY assertion happens to be demonstrably TRUE.


179 posted on 05/25/2011 5:10:20 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama killed Osama and all we got were 72 versions.)
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To: excopconservative

Yes he will. They’ll Clarence Thomas him.


180 posted on 05/25/2011 5:11:34 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama killed Osama and all we got were 72 versions.)
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