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CALIFORNIA: Assembly passes crackdown on carrying unloaded handguns in public
Sacramento Bee ^ | 5/17/11 | Jim Sanders, Sacramento Bee

Posted on 05/17/2011 10:12:10 PM PDT by SmithL

Saying you don't need a gun to order a cheeseburger, a California lawmaker Monday pushed through the Assembly a crackdown on carrying unloaded handguns in public places.

Assemblyman Anthony Portantino's legislation takes aim at a movement that encourages people to show up at public places with unloaded handguns strapped to their side.

"Our families deserve to feel safe in our parks and coffee shops," said Portantino, D-La Cañada Flintridge.

"You don't need a handgun to order a cheeseburger," he said. "You don't need a handgun to order a cup of coffee."

The "open carry" movement created shock waves in 2009 when about a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, stood outside an Arizona convention center where President Barack Obama was speaking.

Sacramento was the site of a demonstration involving protesters with unloaded guns last year, and Portantino said a group of gun-wearing people rode a light-rail train into Pasadena and rallied near his office recently.

Portantino's Assembly Bill 144 would make it a misdemeanor to display an unloaded handgun in a public place or on a public street in a city or in prohibited areas of unincorporated county land.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; goldenstate
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To: SmithL

The unloaded open carry people were wasting their time getting together and showing their guns in public at Starbucks while knowing that there would likely be a backlash from the anti-gun politicians. When the law passes (as it did before) and the Republican governor is no longer there to veto it this year, these open carry people will have succeeded in screwing over the rest of us gun owners.

There are still a few legal ways to carry a gun in California outside of the home. However, a lot of cops don’t care about the law and will harass you if you have a gun. The unloaded open carry law (as it now exists) would have been a useful backup legal defense to keep me from being arrested if I ever needed to pull out my gun in self-defense. Now that law will be gone, absent a long and uphill challenge to the law through the courts. Stupid.


41 posted on 05/18/2011 12:27:31 AM PDT by Rybashka
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To: Spktyr
That is carrying an illegal club in California. IIRC, it’s a felony there.

These are legal...

I'm just sayin'...

42 posted on 05/18/2011 12:31:38 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: Redcloak

Actually, there is a third legal way to carry a firearm in California: unloaded and placed inside a locked case. (A glove compartment does not count.)

I don’t know the cases mentioned by Ed Worley. However, I wonder if this third legal method will be sufficient to defeat the NRA’s argument.


43 posted on 05/18/2011 12:35:04 AM PDT by Rybashka
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To: Jeff Winston
Our families deserve to feel safe

Good catch. For the left, feelings are what matters, not logic, not results.

Our prisons are huge, the staff well paid, and their political clout is unmatched- literal king-makers. This goombah/ gambino, uses his Family concern for the benefit of us all to climb the political ladder.

Trouble is: this fat cat can't provide insurance, you know, like la familia could. 'Till then, a person should provide their own. "An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure."

The Framers knew this, that's why they wrote the 2nd ammendment.

"A well regulated militia, necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Sounds all-military and that, which it is, since 'the people' would reserve the 'right' to bear arms against a tyrannical government (state or federal, boys and girls) while at the same time, enjoying the freedom to blow holes in those intent upon applying their own mini tyranny on the public in the form of rape, robbery, home invasion, fraud, theft, etc.

Ain't freedom grand? As it pertains the right to bear arms, California and it's many 'representatives' simply suck dick. Feinstein, Boxer, and everyone else on the Left blow and blow. But, what good is that? Has no one ever been robbed while being head-bobbed by Diane or Barbara? What kind of deterrence is that?

"Give me your wallet!".
"Hey, I don't have to because Diane is busy, or didn't you notice?"
"I'm sorry, man. I didn't."
"Get your crack-ass oughta here before I call Barbara Boxer- and she sucks the crime out of the city!"
"Hey, don't do that man. Don't do that! I'm outta here, ok?"
"Damn right, you are!"

44 posted on 05/18/2011 12:42:32 AM PDT by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: Rybashka
Locked away and inaccessible is not allowed under Heller.
45 posted on 05/18/2011 12:47:13 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: SmithL

An unloaded firearm will get a man killed.


46 posted on 05/18/2011 1:35:30 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: SmithL
you don't need a gun to order a cheeseburger

The Luby's massacre was an incident of mass murder that took place on October 16, 1991 when George Jo Hennard drove his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot and killed 23 people

theatlantic.com

1984 Mcdonalds Massacre
His (James Huberty) destructive behavior started at 3:40 pm on a fatal day of July 18, 1984 where he carried a long barreled UZI semi-automatic rifle, a handgun and a shotgun that killed 21 and wounded 19 people.

ummascorner.blogspot.com

47 posted on 05/18/2011 2:38:46 AM PDT by Daaave ("You see, but you do not observe." Sherlock Holmes)
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To: SmithL

“You don’t need a handgun to order a cheeseburger,” he said. “You don’t need a handgun to order a cup of coffee.”


Sometimes you do.


48 posted on 05/18/2011 3:22:32 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: SmithL

I’m so happy that I moved to the Free United States of America.


49 posted on 05/18/2011 4:24:48 AM PDT by EricT. (I'm going to spend 68% more than I make this year- I hear it's the responsible thing to do..)
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To: Windflier

You don’t need a political hack or the Government to tell you how to live free either


50 posted on 05/18/2011 4:50:17 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: SmithL
They should just show up with empty holsters. That's my story in Illinois-crap-hole.
51 posted on 05/18/2011 5:24:36 AM PDT by Pit1 (The only word out of the dims mouth is TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX. And RINOS eat it up)
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To: Outlaw Woman

I have lived in California my full 52 year lifespan and California is a lost cause in the short term. The jury is out about the longer term but I’m not hopeful.

Basically, California needs to crash and burn financially in order for the left-leaning middle class to wake from their socialist dream and get back to basics in life. That is the only hope for California.

With a flood of hard-working taxpayers leaving the state, being replaced by a permanent semi-literate underclass, I am not sure anything can save California. I do hope California rises from the ashes like a Phoenix after the financial collapse. I doubt that financial collapse will be terribly soon, but I think it is inevitable the way the state is going.


52 posted on 05/18/2011 7:48:02 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Don't confuse Obama's evil for incompetence.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

It’s heartbreaking to see that one of the greatest states in our nation in such decline. Stunning really. I can remember reading years ago about CA’s position in our country and the richness of the state; wealthier than some countries on the planet.

How did this happen? At what point did the reins get seized by lunatics? I was out there in the early 90’s a few times on business (defense industry; Gen Dyn, Rockwell, Douglas) and the state was still flourishing. Or seem to be. Even contemplated moving there. I cannot understand how one of the greatest states has fallen into such circumstance and what kind of idiots continually vote for those lunatics?

A friend of mine lived in Mission Vejo (sp) and moved out in the mid-90’s because he saw what was coming I suppose.

I’m sorry that good people are caught in a position which they have no control over.


53 posted on 05/18/2011 8:07:56 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: budwiesest
"A well regulated militia, necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

"The security of a free state" has multiple meanings.

Security from foreign invaders: "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Probably NOT said by Yamamoto, by the way, but still true.

Security from an oppressive government.

Security from evil people in our midst.

54 posted on 05/18/2011 8:44:04 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: budwiesest

And all of these are protected by the right to keep and bear arms.


55 posted on 05/18/2011 8:44:47 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: absalom01

Yes, he wants Dreier’s seat, and he’s out raising money from his friends at the prison guards union (despite there not being one in the district) and he’s trying to convince Republicans that he’s a moderate.


56 posted on 05/18/2011 11:17:43 AM PDT by americanophile (Paul Ryan 2012)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Times have changed. There’s a thin conservative line now. Did you know that Arizona Governor Jan Brewer is from La Crescenta?


57 posted on 05/18/2011 11:19:41 AM PDT by americanophile (Paul Ryan 2012)
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To: Jonty30

“Sometimes you do.”

Clint Eastwood vs. the gun-grabbers;)


58 posted on 05/18/2011 11:31:51 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Redcloak

I am always on my way to or from a baseball game and carry my Louisville with me!


59 posted on 05/18/2011 11:56:56 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: SmithL

The key is going to be the moving of jobs out of california in a permanent way.

What companies can be moved?

silicon valey? absolutly. They have no need to be in california

manufacturing? none.

ports? there are two states to the north and it does not take much to move stuff to a free trade zone in a neighboring state.

Defund california.


60 posted on 05/18/2011 1:06:00 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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