Posted on 05/14/2011 7:04:25 AM PDT by petitfour
The wife of a Tucson man killed in a Pima County SWAT raid May 5 pleaded for five minutes with 911 dispatchers to send an ambulance for her mortally wounded husband, audio records show.
Often through tears and sometimes in broken English, Vanessa Guerena, tells 911 operators that her husband had been shot by a "bunch of people" who opened the door of their southwest-side home and "just shoot him." Meanwhile, dispatchers worked to determine if she was calling from a house where the SWAT team was serving a search warrant, audio released Friday by Drexel Heights Fire Department reveals. It takes about an hour for waiting medics to know what happened, and the man is dead before fire crews are allowed into the home.
Jose Guerena, 26, a former Marine, was sleeping after the graveyard shift at Asarco Mission mine about 9:30 a.m. when his wife woke him saying she heard noises outside and a man was at their window. Guerena told his wife to hide in a closet with their 4-year-old son, his wife has said. He grabbed an AR-15 rifle and moments later was slumped in the kitchen, mortally wounded from a hail of gunfire.
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Oh yeah...and that worked well..and Bennet continues to do the same thing over and over expecting different results....uh, we know the definition of THAT!Insanity.
Yeah, it was an “Oh $#@%!” moment followed by ten minutes of “let’s close ranks and do what’s needed to cover this up”. Idiots.
Send him cash in an envelope to support FR instead of a traceable check.
It's pretty simple. The police use dubious sources for information and usually don't check them against good sources, like honest citizens.
Some years ago in Lakeland, FL, I had 3 cops come to my door about 8 in the evening. They were looking for some clown that had skipped bail after giving my last name and address as his own. Of course the cops didn't verify it before they let him go. These cops called me a liar when I said I didn't know him. After about 15 minutes of this, while I had to prove who I was, they left, with one of them again calling me a liar as she was getting into the car.
Suppose this man they were looking for had been a serious bad guy? They would have arrived with a warrant and/or busted down my door.
I lived in that house (good neighborhood) for 28 years, not so much as a speeding ticket. And these turds in uniform couldn't verify the identity of some scum they arrested before coming to my house and harassing me.
This happens all the time. It's just a matter of degree. Most of the time it is relatively minor in intensity as with me. Doesn't make them any less stupid and heavy handed.
See my post #184. I was fortunate the person they were after was a low level criminal. No telling what would have happened otherwise.
I think that's because the US government views the citizens as it's enemy.
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POSTED BY tbw2
We are demanding police level restraint of soldiers in kill or be killed wars, and then jail them for being soldiers.
We are allowing police to become soldiers, with authority to shoot first and ask questions later,
to the detriment of society and the pile of innocent bodies they leave behind.
ping
Things will change if the cops ever no knock the son of a prominent politician or functionaries house and kill him.
There was a story here within the last year of the PG County (MD) busting into the mayor's house and shooting his dog....
Go ahead and repeat at will.
I remember that story. What changed was they made sure they everybody knew where the Mayor lived. LOL... Gallows humor. We are so very very screwed.
You wrote: “They are everywhere. I’ve always found it comforting”
Seriously?
I find it uncomfortable. Armed city employees, Union Thugs, the personal strong arm of politicians? Seriously? A code book so big that no one person has ever read it? Wide discretionary powers? Comforting?
It’s because people vote that “feeling” that we are in the predicament we are in.
We don’t need escorts, we don’t need big brother. Buy a handgun. Learn how to use it and fire these Union clowns. Take on some personal risk and responsibility. Don’t outsource your peace of mind or security. It is really really dangerous to do that.
Agreed. What little police presence we should EVER have is to have an ELECTED sheriff and his sworn deputies.
What cop defenders ignore is that the very situation of having police authority is corruptive at it’s fundamental level. Do away with ALL municipal police departments, and police unions (They should be subject to firing after each county election in any event). The entire system is corrupt, but once we start removing their rat holes to hide in to avoid accountability, and start executing them for murder, that will weed out those interested in getting a rush, from those who want to serve and protect.
“Is he an exception or the rule?”
It doesn’t matter. The fact is the very nature of having “authority” over another human being causes human beings to become corrupt. It’s a simple fact. Most police I know (I know MANY) wanted the money. Many of my friends in High School wanted to become cops for various reasons. The problem is that they have ZERO accountability, and cover up each others’ crimes.
The video gaming industry hasn’t helped the younger generation. Many people don’t know that the video game was invented to get people to kill one another. In WWI (maybe WW2), the military found that most people off the boats wouldn’t shoot another human being, I think it was like 1/10 (These figures are from memory, but pretty close, but you can look up the numbers). Over the years the tried many things, to up the rate of return (shotting another human being). So they made targets to be in the shape of people, but look like targets (red/white), and it went up to like 4/10 would then shoot another human being in combat. Then they used targets that were photos of people IIRC, and it jumped to like 7/10 would shoot a living person. Then I think they were moving photo targets and it became 9/10. And then the video game was invented and 10/10 trainees would fire on another person.
And the generations for the last 30 years have been exposed to these video games. Regardless to whether or not one believe video games incite violence, the DO desensitize a person to the natural inhibition to NOT KILL another human being, and make a game out of it.
Like I’ve said before, and will ever say it again, police work is corruptive. I’ve known a few good men who could not stay in police work more than 2 years. They simply refused to play the game to cover for others, and be subjected to that kind of stress. Police work was never meant to be a lifetime job. It was meant to be voted in and out like any other public servant, because people are never supposed to fear police.
THis is a growing problem and will not be resolved without more and more citizenry being murdered by police until people get so tired of it that they say “Enough.” There is nothing sacred about being a police officer, and they deserve no respect. Individuals deserve respect. Unelected, murderous, thugs deserve nothing. If you don’t know your local law enforcement officers, then the local law enforcement is being run in a way that it shouldn’t be. Sheriffs, and their deputies were meant to be upstanding members of their communities, and the ONLY law enforcement we have. Anything else is just part of the corruption. Hence if you don’t know the unelected “officer,” he’s not accountable to you.
When people realize that they themselves are responsible for enforcing the law, and that a Sheriff is meant to facilitate that process, then we’ll be better off. There is not even a valid argument contrary to the citizenry being responsible for law enforcement. Citizens are witnesses, citizens are the final judges, the jurors (or supposed to be). Oh yeah, and citizens are allowed to arrest. WE ARE the legal system, we’ve just abdicated that to a bunch of thugs. It’s time to take responsibility, it’s the only way to have our freedom back. We can’t relegate our security to someone else, and believe they will be benevolent to us. Not only has it never happened, it never can. Those who are willing to mooch off of you to promise you security, don’t have it themselves, and cannot give it to you.
Agreed, see my subsequent post. There should NEVER be an unelected municipal police department. The Feds should NEVER be involved in law enforcement. Drugs are a state to state issue, not belonging to Fedzilla. I don’t do drugs, I don’t support drugs, and I don’t believe that an individual has the right to do drugs (Drinking and driving, etc.). However, unless virtually everyone else in my state believes that too, then it shouldn’t be the law of the land (State). That’s what state rights are all about. If a state wants drugs, they can have them, and it’s not the job of the Feds to decide.
I don’t even want to get started on 9/11, but let me say, there has never been a bigger, more insidious power grab in the history of mankind than after 9/11. Oh, there may, and I stress MAY, have been worse dictators in history, but try testing the limits of the totalitarian state we live in now. No knock warrants, secretive courts, prisons off our shores, drones spying on us. American “terrorists” being executed remotely (he probably was one, but many are labeled “terrorist” for things like paying in cash, and supporting the constitution), GPS units on cars, and on and on. There is no freedom left in this country, merely the illusion of it. Fortunately, there’s only the illusion of power generated by a sense of fear. When people go from afraid to angry, things are not going to be pretty. I pray it doesn’t have to come to that, but know it will, which makes me sad. Thank the last 2 generations. It happened on their watch.
Part of me believes this was inevitable. As population grows, wealth grows, and expectations. More and more people “calling the cops” over things they could resolve themselves. Someone threatens to shoot someone under his breath or maim someone for a trivial disagreement...call the cops. Ok, what about other disagreements, say over cheating at cards? Call the cops. Call the cops for every little thing under the sun. How was this handled in the wild west? Assuming it wasn’t some drawn out heavy grudge, it was usually settled with words, or fists out in the yard. Then it was settled. Everyone went on with life. Not anymore. Now the perp will cap you and your wife as well. So the police think they are GOD now, and that we must be ruled over with an iron fist since we refuse to police ourselves and our neighbors.
Well that, and the fact that the Feds lock everyone up in this country for EVERYTHING.
http://www.fbi.gov/fieldnews/breaking.htm
The Wild West as it were was much tamer, relatively speaking, than what we have now.
I agree with everything you’ve said. It kind of a chicken and the egg paradox, did a needy public demand more police, or did the leftists teach everyone to trust the police and “Not take the law into your own hands” (Actually our responsibility)—as mentioned by another poster. I’m not sure, since I wasn’t really around for when it started. But the solution is simple. Personal responsibility at the individual level, and a drastically reduced government at ALL levels, and in ALL fields.
Regarding:
“So the police think they are GOD now, and that we must be ruled over with an iron fist since we refuse to police ourselves and our neighbors.”
I just had a flashback to the scene in “I, Robot” where the AI computer was going to lock all humans up in order to protect them. That is, in all actuality, what we have come to. We’re monitored on our cell phones (GPS), internet, told at Walmart to report suspicious neighbors, using cash, etc., monitored on CCTV while driving, and they’ve already started the microchipping, though it’s voluntary for now (Military members—if they get lost, and the Elderly—for Alzheimers patients, etc., and marketing it for kids—if they get lost, FYI if you didn’t know already).
When you imprison someone behind bars, they virtually all want out. When you do it in their own comfortable setting, they almost all never want to leave. Pray for America, it’s the most vital portion of the equation, as God can do more with man, than man can do with himself. We must all wake up, and there isn’t much left to work with. FReegards.
It doesn't seem that the powers-that-be care much about the mayors, one way or the other. And the more elite politicians who *might* actually change something, were they affected, are surrounded by security and/or live in gated communities, mansions the jackboots can't touch, remote islands, whatever.
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