Posted on 05/09/2011 8:35:43 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Evidence continues to mount that President Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, raising concerns over his presidential eligibility.
Obama's American mother, Ann Dunham, separated from her first husband, Barack Obama Sr., in 1963 when the president was 2 years old. Dunham and Obama Sr. are reported to have later divorced.
In Hawaii, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian, in 1965 and moved to Indonesia in October 1967.
Divorce documents filed in Hawaii on Aug. 20, 1980, refer to Obama as the "child" of both Soetoro and Dunham, indicating a possible adoption in the U.S.
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The divorce records state: "The parties have 1 child(ren) below age 18 and 1 child(ren) above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education."
The records further identify the "oldest child" as "in university."
"Mother resides with youngest child in 4-bedroom house provided by mother's employer," continues the divorce documents.
The documents identify the minor as Obama's stepsister, Maya Soetoro.
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Old you have become a disgusting obamite, hiding on this forum like a sleeper waiting to pounce. You use hyperbole to confuse issues that require only common sense, which you seem to have lost all together.
The president’s whole life history is concealed and the best you can do is ridicule those of us that would like to know who the man is. His citizenship is of little concern since you and others seem to accept any piece of paper that he posts on the Internet, but his past is still concealed.
His actions alone belie the notion that he is a loyal NBC, but he is not alone, we have many traitors serving in congress, and apparently no small number posting here.
So now that we know where the (fake) birth certificate is, the big question to be put on billboards is.....
WHO IS BARRY SOETORO?
Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]
The divorce records state: "The parties have 1 child(ren) below age 18 and 1 child(ren) above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education."
You know little about rules. Oh, of course, unless you meant there are different rules for those whom we have elevated to Royalty.
Nail on head! A ghost of a POTUS hiding in plain sight!
Q: Why are the grand "education" records of the Brilliant One hidden?
A: Because 0b0z0's brilliance is a media-created myth that if proven different, his made up image would collapse under its own weight. Moreover, 0b0z0 might have applied as a foreign student and that should disqualify him from being president. It may also prove that he fraudulently obtained scholarships and/or Saudi money helped.
You would think that the narcissist and his media enablers would like to rub the grades and honors in our faces daily and tout 0dumb0 as the most "intelligent POTUS we ever had!"
Hyperbole? That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
Not only have I not offered a single hyperbolic statement, I have provided the relevant case cites as evidence of my position.
The citizenship statutes or constitutional entitlements of other countries have absolutely no bearing on US citizenship. The case law in matters concerning citizenship are so elementary, even a 1L could argue them in court. And, not only is the law simple to understand, it has been the law for over 110-years.
Obama Sr. is listed as the biological father on the birth certificate. He is, at common law, entitled to some parental rights even in 1961. Married or not married at the time of birth, Obama's mother must have sued to terminate Obama's Sr. Parental rights before any adoption can be recognized by the state of HI. Because Obama Sr. legally claimed his parental rights with his signature on that birth certificate, those rights cannot be terminated absent due process - i.e. Court Order. To amend Obama's birth certificate, she would have had to provide one of two things to the state - a death certificate of Obama Sr., or a court order either voluntarily or involuntarily terminating Obama Sr's rights.
"There appears to be no comradery between the 2...emotional or physical.."
Whatever "comradery" [sic] there was or wasn't is wholly immaterial to Obama Sr's parental rights that he asserted with the his representation as the biological father on the birth certificate.
Obama Sr. is listed as the biological father on the birth certificate.
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Have you ever seen the BC ???
Nobody here in these threads have...
He is, at common law, entitled to some parental rights even in 1961.
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Source ???
for Barrys case...
INS didnt believe Obama SR...
Which court case recognized his rights under “common law”
in 1961 onloy the mother would have had any “rights”” over Barry
Obama’s mother must have sued to terminate Obama’s Sr. Parental rights before any adoption can be recognized by the state of HI.
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Why would she need to do that ???
Obama SR didnt havew anty rights to lose
The “divorce” papers state that Barry was Lolos son...
Mu7st have been an adoption of some sort...
other wise Barry would have been recognized as only Stan Anns child..
In fact he would not have been part of the divorce proceedings at all..
he would not have been part of the “marriage” unless he had been legally adopted by Lolo
Because Obama Sr. legally claimed his parental rights with his signature on that birth certificate
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1. In 1961 a legally unrelated/unmarried man would not have been signing a BC...no marriage certificate
2 where was Obama SR when he supposedly signed that supposed BC ???
3. have you seen the BC ???
those rights cannot be terminated absent due process
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those rights cannot be present absent due process...a valid marriage certificate
What possible advantage would it give him to claim any citizenship other than American?
Since Obama's records at Occidental College have been sealed, we don't know anything for certain.
BUT. We do know that he had an Indonesian roommate, and apparently lived in the foreign student dorm.
And we do know that free scholarships were being offered at the time for foreign students. So, why wouldn't Stanley Ann and Barry jump at the chance of free college? Even if supposing that he was considered an American citizen by American law, which is another question, he evidently had Indonesian citizenship. All he had to do was say that he was Barry Soetero, Indonesian, and he would get to go to Occidental College for free. For that matter, he would be admitted there when possibly he wouldn't qualify under ordinary circumstances.
Sven Magnussen has posted many times the State Dept directions on how a minor child can indeed renounce US citizenship.
It is a matter of record that the State of HI granted SADO a divorce from O SR therefore acknowledging a marriage.
Have you seen a marriage certificate ???
okie01 said, “And he will stay an American citizen unless and until he renounces that citizenship upon gaining his majority.
Even if he susequently traveled on an Indonesian passport or gained entrance to college as a foreign student, that would not change his status as an American citizen. It might leave him open to some fraud charges, though.”
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You’re simply wrong. A person with multiple citizenships, who takes an affirmative step to claim a foreign citizenship AFTER the age of majority, has himself renounced his US citizenship. That may be why the passport files were cauterized. Using a foreign passport after the age of majority is an affirmation of foreign citizenship. This is why the State Dept. says dual and multiple citizenships are problematic.
As for whatever advantage registering at school as an Indonesian or other foreign student might provide: scholarships or grants from that foreign government come to mind.
In the Soetoro divorce papers, it says that the parents (including Lolo) remain responsible for the education of the child over age 18. Indonesian scholarship? Is this why the college records are sealed?
I am fully aware there is not one. There is a listing the “official” marriage index and we have a court order of divorce. Trying to argue they never married and like looking at a sunset and because you didn’t see a sunrise how could we have a sunset!
Source? LOL - You have offered a host of ridiculously absurd comments had not offered a SINGLE legal cite. Puhleeze.
"INS didnt believe Obama SR..."
Says a gut who's trying to sell a book. Imagine that.
Here are the facts - Barack Obama's father was listed on his birth certificate. Barack Obama Sr and Stanley Ann Dunham were married in the US prior to Obama Jr's birth.
Was Obama already married to someone else? Who knows and who cares. It's irrelevant in the context of this discussion. Why? Because Obama was never convicted of bigamy, nor had Dunham presented the issue to court to have her marriage declared void ab initio. Instead, she elected to pursue a standard divorce. Again, why? Because she wouldn't find out that Sr. never divorced from his first wife until "years later".
"in 1961 only the mother would have had any “rights”” over Barry"
In 1961, in most states, the unmarried mother would only have the presumption of custodial rights. That doesn't mean the father who's listed on the birth certificate wouldn't have any parental rights. But, whatever the status of the parental rights of a unwed father were or were not in 1960s Haiwaii, is WHOLLY irrelevant to this situation. Why? Because in the eyes of the state of HI, Barack Obama Sr. was the natural father.
"Obama SR didnt havew anty rights to lose"
You might want to read Armstrong v. Manzo, 380 U.S. 545 (1965). It's instructive here.
'1. In 1961 a legally unrelated/unmarried man would not have been signing a BC...no marriage certificate"
Citation?
And, whatever the accuracy of that HIGHLY dubious claim may (or may not) be, it's again irrelevant to this situation as Dunham and Obama were married in HI, and that marriage was presumptively valid until a court declared otherwise. Do you have any evidence that a court voided that marriage prior to either Obama's birth, or Obama's alleged adoption by his step-parent.
I'll give birthers credit for this - they are some of the most wildly creative people alive.
Trying to argue they never married
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I will never argue that they were never married
I dont have to quibble about it
its a fact...
OBAMA AND STAN ANN WERE NEVER MARRIED
period...
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