Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]

WND ^ | May 08, 2011 | Aaron Klein

[RobinMasters]

Evidence continues to mount that President Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, raising concerns over his presidential eligibility.

Obama's American mother, Ann Dunham, separated from her first husband, Barack Obama Sr., in 1963 when the president was 2 years old. Dunham and Obama Sr. are reported to have later divorced.

In Hawaii, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian, in 1965 and moved to Indonesia in October 1967.

Divorce documents filed in Hawaii on Aug. 20, 1980, refer to Obama as the "child" of both Soetoro and Dunham, indicating a possible adoption in the U.S.

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The divorce records state: "The parties have 1 child(ren) below age 18 and 1 child(ren) above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education."

The records further identify the "oldest child" as "in university."

"Mother resides with youngest child in 4-bedroom house provided by mother's employer," continues the divorce documents.

The documents identify the minor as Obama's stepsister, Maya Soetoro.

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

Yeah, if "you don't count" Clause 3,

So you prefer to believe that the Indiana Supreme Court and all their clerks simply can't count to 5? Okay then.

you can also state that WKA was the guidance used to find Barry an NBC, even though "you" (the court) admit that the WKA court did not find him to be a NBC.

No, it found him to have become a citizen "at the time of his birth." And it certainly didn't say he wasn't an NBC. The Indiana court decided that "citizen at the time of his birth" = NBC. That's perfectly clear. You think it doesn't. That's also clear.

[Will Escott]

You are using an argument based on good solid common law, nothing wrong with the argument. You are wrong to think it has anything to do with dual citizenship because it doesn’t. I agree with the Wong Kim Ark court but I don’t agree with you. IMHO President Obama was a US citizen at birth and probably a natural born citizen. I’m not talking about Article II of the US Constitution, I’m talking about the 14th Amendment and “jurisdiction”. You are mixing the two up. Wong Kim Ark and Perkins vs Elg don’t deal with dual citizenship. I’m not saying President Obama isn’t a US citizen, or that he wasn’t born one, or that he hasn’t been one his whole life. I’m not saying that the Indiana Court of Appeals is wrong either. If there is a problem IMHO it isn’t about his US citizenship. That’s why I asked you if you could read Dutch or Bahasa Indonesian.

[Will Escott]

I am also talking about Article VI of the US Constitution as affected by Section 2 of Article II. According to Article VI Treaties are “the supreme Law of the Land” alongside the Constitution itself. In other words he who makes them, according to Article II Section 2, the President, in consultation with the Senate, is the sole representative of the United States. Under International Law, which in the founders’ day was called the Law of Nations, a dual citizen might be legally incapable of making a valid treaty or international agreement. Canada, Australia and Thailand are worried about that. The eligibility clause isn’t what I’m talking about and I’m not arguing with you about it.

[Will Escott]

You ask:
“How can the law of the place of one’s birth “not have anything to do with it”?”

HI law would be of no concern to an Indonesian District Judge. He would act in accord with Indonesian law and not HI law. He might, or might not, care about HI, or US law at all. You would need to read the Indonesian legal code to find out what he would do. A Kenyan Judge would worry first about Kenyan law rather than HI law. No case would have come up in the Hawaiian courts so HI law simply would not matter.

[Will Escott]

You ask:
“How can the law of the place of one’s birth “not have anything to do with it”?”

HI law would be of no concern to an Indonesian District Judge. He would act in accord with Indonesian law and not HI law. He might, or might not, care about HI, or US law at all. You would need to read the Indonesian legal code to find out what he would do. A Kenyan Judge would worry first about Kenyan law rather than HI law. No case would have come up in the Hawaiian courts so HI law simply would not matter.

[bluecat6]

I just try to fit the curve to the data points as they say in advanced mathematics.

She may not be. But the data point that she is basically disappeared between early 1961 to September 1961 seems to fit.

But I certainly would not bet the house on this as a fact.

But that divorce in 1964 is somewhat of legal divider point. If the actual facts are different than that those represented in the divorce it will be hard to get to them. As I posted above I believe there are serious eligibility troubles beyond 1964. And at times I believe there is a desire to keep the spotlight on 1961, knowing that digging up fact different than the 64 divorce will be a very tough activity. In the computer security would it would be called a honey pot. I think the college reocrds and the SS number are the real prizes. What did the Don say after he was told the LFBC was out - “now lets see the college records.” Without blinking....he knew what the next move is.

[Churchillspirit]

I respectfully suggest you read "The Obama Timeline".

If you are, as your screen name suggests "curious".

[Churchillspirit]

His mother was not old enough to give him US citizenship.

[Brown Deer]

So are you seriously suggesting they got divorced even though they were never married?

The FACT is, Barack Hussein Obama was married to Kezia Grace Nyandega in January 1957. He had a son Malik Obongo Obama born March 1958 in Kenya who is mentioned in his INS documents. Kezia was pregnant with his daughter Rita Auma when he left for Hawaii. They were never divorced, so obviously, he could not have been married to Stanley Ann Dunham. Kezia and Barack had two more sons Abo and Bernard after he returned to Kenya. fyi, Barack Obama was never involved in the divorce that you are referring to.



So, stop with your fantasies! Get over your "Dreams", wake up and stop drinking his kool-aid.

[Brown Deer]

I have yet to see a single verifiable lie associated with Corsi. Anyone? Anyone?

I googled obama lies and got about 42,000,000 results in 0.11 seconds.

[Brown Deer]

she is only here for one reason...

Recently I've become somewhat obsessed with debunking birthers. Not sure why, but I find it somewhat addictive.

Too bad, she is totally ignorant of the facts.

[Fantasywriter]

That is some fascinating analysis. I enjoyed reading it. Yes, I believe the sledding will get rougher for Obama as ‘12 approaches. He got a near total pass in ‘08. Now he has a horrific record of ‘achievements’ (excluding the one that Bush and the SEALs made possible) and a wealth of research is undermining the fantasy novel Ayers wrote in Obama’s name.

Something to bear in mind: Obama cracks easily under stress. He’s just never had to cope with it. He smoked pot and drank his way through high school, and coasted on AA afterward. He’s never held a prior job more than three years, and he was notorious for laziness in the ones he had. He’s used race to make certain the press would never play hardball with him—ditto his political opponents.

The few times he’s been asked a semi-hard question, he’s blown it/gotten huffy and looked very bad. Well guess what? He’ll get some hard questions regardless of the knee-pad media on ‘12. If nothing else, a Swiftboat-type group will organize to put out the truth about this man. Hopefully his opponent will do likewise.

When that happens, Obama will be a combination of angry drama queen and stuttering nervous wreck. All those knee-padders who treated little Barry like bone china will realize they did him no favors. Not that prior hard questions would have toughened him up. A person with the degree of narcissism Barry possesses will never, ever, be able to handle what they perceive to be criticism in any form.

It’s not going to be pretty for Obama. Nor should it be.

[Fantasywriter]

Would you believe there is a poster on FR who claims Obama never lies?? Yes; there is. He has posted right here on this thread. [Hint: he has no ***curiosity*** about verifying anything that leaves Obama’s lips; if Obama says it, it must be true.]

How can any sane, rational, intelligent human being not have figured out by now that Obama is a serial, pathological liar???

Anybody other than a moonbat, anyway.

[aruanan]

If you are a citizen at birth, you cannot lose your citizenship, nor can your parents by design or neglect, renounce your citizenship either. There is ample case law since Ark that says just that.

So why not actually mention that case law instead of Wong Kim Ark? The court in Wong Kim Ark acknowledges that parents can, on their children's behalf, renounce their citizenship. The court noted in this particular case, however, that neither Wong Kim Ark nor his parents had done this and, therefore, such a renunciation did not figure in the matter at hand:

"That said Wong Kim Ark has not, either by himself or his parents acting for him, ever renounced his allegiance to the United States, and that he has never done or committed any act or thing to exclude him therefrom."

MR. JUSTICE GRAY, after stating the case, delivered the opinion of the court.

The facts of this case, as agreed by the parties, are as follows: Wong Kim Ark was born in 1873 in the city of San Francisco, in the State of California and United States of America, and was and is a laborer. His father and mother were persons of Chinese descent, and subjects of the Emperor of China; they were at the time of his birth domiciled residents of the United States, having previously established and still enjoying a permanent domicil and residence therein at San Francisco; they continued to reside and remain in the United States until 1890, when they departed for China, and during all the time of their residence in the United States, they were engaged in business, and were never employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China. Wong Kim Ark, ever since his birth, has had but one residence, to-wit, in California, within the United States, and has there resided, claiming to be a citizen of the United States, and has never lost or changed that residence, or gained or acquired another residence, and neither he nor his parents acting for him ever renounced his allegiance to the United States, or did or committed any act or thing to exclude him therefrom."

[MHGinTN]

Compare two events: when were SAD and Lolo married, and when did Lolo take his new family back to Indonesia and enter little Barry in school there? ... Indications are that Lolo adopted Barry and he became Barry Soetoro while still in HI, before ‘matriculating’ to Indonesia.

[MHGinTN]

Compare two events: when were SAD and Lolo married, and when did Lolo take his new family back to Indonesia and enter little Barry in school there? ... Indications are that Lolo adopted Barry and he became Barry Soetoro while still in HI, before ‘matriculating’ to Indonesia.

[curiosity]

The FACT is, Barack Hussein Obama was married to Kezia Grace Nyandega in January 1957. He had a son Malik Obongo Obama born March 1958 in Kenya who is mentioned in his INS documents. Kezia was pregnant with his daughter Rita Auma when he left for Hawaii. They were never divorced, so obviously, he could not have been married to Stanley Ann Dunham.

Yes, he could have illegally married her, if his marriage to Kezia was in fact legal (it might have been some tribal ceremony that was not legally recognized).

If he was really a bigamist, then his marriage to SAD could be challanged and legally declared null and void. However, until such declaration, the law would presume the validity of his marriage to SAD.

At any rate, I don't see why this matters. Why are you so interested in it?

Barack Obama was never involved in the divorce that you are referring to.

Do you Obama Jr. or Sr.? Of course Obama Jr. was not involved, but Obama Sr. was, as he was the defendant!

[curiosity]

That's a very excellent point that nobody have mentioned before???

Maybe because it's a stupid point that simply isn't true.

You have to be willfully blind to say "he's never shown us a bona fide long form birth certificate."

The fact is he did just that, just a couple weeks ago. Where have you been, under a rock?

[RegulatorCountry]

The question is whether the plaintiff, Marie Elizabeth Elg. who was born in the United States of Swedish parents then naturalized here, has lost her citizenship and is subject to deportation because of her removal during minority to Sweden, it appearing that her parents resumed their citizenship in that country but that she returned here on attaining majority with intention to remain and to maintain her citizenship in the United States.

I'm surprised you and others are referencing this case. It does not bolster your argument. Marie Elg affirmed her United States citizenship upon attaining majority.

What did Barack Obama nee Barry Soetoro do upon attaining majority? He resided in a foreign student dormitory at Occidental, and jetted around with his Pakistani roomate. Seems pretty reasonable to assume he did that jetting around on something other than a US passport.

Not exactly an affirmation, that. Suspicion is reaonable here.

[Fred Nerks]

...INS memo says they talked to spouse while she was in Philippines in April of 1964.

Read the last typed paragraph. No one 'talked to spouse' - the kenyan told them where ANNA OBAMA was in April, 1964.

WHO WAS ANNA OBAMA?

the 'DIVORCE' WAS GRANTED MARCH 20, 1964.