Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

History repeats itself.
1 posted on 05/05/2011 2:11:32 PM PDT by FoxPro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: FoxPro
Assassination?

Yamamoto was a valid military target.

2 posted on 05/05/2011 2:14:46 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

bump


3 posted on 05/05/2011 2:15:08 PM PDT by Matthew James (SPEARHEAD!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

Ah those were the days, when armies wore uniforms.....


4 posted on 05/05/2011 2:18:26 PM PDT by beericus (Putting the cool in conservatism, dip in the hip and a glid in the stride.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro
I wish they would make a movie of the Yamamoto shoot down. A story based on real events.
5 posted on 05/05/2011 2:18:49 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro
US naval intelligence effort, code-named "Magic",

When are we going to hear froim the Magicians Union that the code name is offensive?

8 posted on 05/05/2011 2:24:16 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

I’ve always thought the shootdown of Yammamoto an Act of God. Kind of like the Battle of Midway, it could easily have gone the other way. Even though the Allies had the info, still, finding his plane in the the middle of the big sky like that, was like finding a needle in a haystack.


11 posted on 05/05/2011 2:26:58 PM PDT by FlyVet
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

I have always thought this incident would have made for a great movie.


12 posted on 05/05/2011 2:27:35 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

No mention of Tom Lanphier?


13 posted on 05/05/2011 2:29:42 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

It wasn’t worth risking Magic over.

Yamamoto the “brilliant” stratagist split the Kido Butai of six carriers in May 42 to conduct Coral Sea with only 2 carriers. Shokaku’s flight deck was wrecked by bombs and Zuikaku’s air groups were mauled meaning neither carrier was available for Midway. And they didn’t get Port Moresby either.

Around the time Yamamoto was assassinated, he had come up with the “brilliant” strategy of committing the retraining carrier air groups of Zuikaku and Shokaku for a landbased air offensive and Japanese naval pilot quality never recovered.


14 posted on 05/05/2011 2:29:50 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro
Not really. On April 14, 1945 the U.S. naval intelligence effort code-named "Magic" intercepted and decrypted orders alerting affected Japanese units of a tour of bases by Yamamoto beginning on April 17, 1942. On April 18, 1942 Yamamoto was dead.
Fearless Captain Zero was informed of OBL's location in August 2010. No action taken until May 2010 and even then it is extremely unlikely that the Bamster had any input in the decision to go.
15 posted on 05/05/2011 2:29:58 PM PDT by hflynn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

This is the plane that got Yamamoto

P-38 Lightning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRLk9b9AcY

DOGFIGHTS, P38 LIGHTNING VS ME 109


27 posted on 05/05/2011 3:00:48 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

FDR (Roosevelt) unlike POTUS Obama, wanted to win WWII and....in doing so realized you must kill the enemy, both military and civilian. This was done, in both Japan & Germany and with all the Axis support countries. Obama does not care for America, so Pakistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, the Sudan, Iran go untouched. Facts and truth will show that Obama was forced into a yes or no on Bin Laden by both CIA Director Panetta and Secretary Of the DOD, Gates. Valerie Jarrett, an Osama Bin Laden adoree was urging Obama not to pull the trigger. Obama did of course, throw Bin Laden under the bus, but for his own political survival which will not happen. Obama is protecting and shielding Gaddafi, his soul brother and with direction from Farrakhan & Rev. Wright whom both adore Gaddafi. One day the American public and voters will come to realize what a low-life, dirt bag POTUS Obama really is. Shame the fools have not figured this anti-American, un-American empty suit out!!! As for Yamamoto, he was a brilliant Admiral, he loved his country, he knew, that in a prolonged war with theUSA, Japan would be badly defeated. He detested the Japanese military leadership, because he knew Americans would come back at Japan with a hate and determination to destroy the nation of Japan which they did. It was probably better that he was not around to see his beloved Japan on her knees and bleeding to death. Roosevelt, Doolittle, Halsey, Nimitz, Arnold, Patton, Eisenhower, Churchill, and....on and on and on!!! Dirt Bag, POTUS Obama does belong in the same room with these heroes that saved the world, freedom and our nations!!!


28 posted on 05/05/2011 3:01:49 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

Folks, there was a Declaration of War between Japan and the United States. It addition, Yamamoto was a uniformed combatant carrying an ID card. There is no comparison with this case and bin Laden. He was not a uniformed combatant and there is no Declaration of War. Note that the Geneva Convention generally does not cover non uniformed combatants. Traditionally, they were questioned, awarded a non judicial punishment, and subsequently shot.


29 posted on 05/05/2011 3:15:38 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro
A squadron of P-38 Lightning aircraft were assigned the task as only they possessed the range to intercept and engage.

This can't be right. I swear I saw in an episode of Baa Baa Blacksheep/Blacksheep Squadron that it was a joint operation between the P-38s and Pappy Boyington's VMF-214 F4U Corsairs.

[/sarc]
31 posted on 05/05/2011 3:21:46 PM PDT by tanknetter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

I don’t see the Yamamoto and bin Laden as comparable (apples and apples) situations.

Had the capability, and opportunity, existed in 1943 to conduct a snatch-n-grab of Yamamoto the US certainly would have tried to take him alive.

However, they didn’t. So the next best alternative (killing him during his tour) was taken.

In the case of bin Laden there was definitely capability, and an opportunity, to capture him alive.

That doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t have been killed, it just means that the situation is somewhat more complicated. With tradoffs between any intelligence take that could be pulled out of him (after Eric Holder’s DoJ read him his rights and allowed him to lawyer up, of course), the threat he posed to the SEALs by potentially having a weapon or suicide vest, and the potential for a demoralizing circus-like atmosphere if he were to go on trial (including the potential for him to continue to act as the spiritual leader of AQ while behind bars).

I don’t know what potential intel could have been dragged out of him, since he doesn’t seem to have been in any sort of operational control of AQ. So setting that part aside, I don’t think that he was worth the life of a single SEAL, and that allowing him to live and be tried would be extremely damaging to the nation and the War on Terror. So I think the decision to exterminate him using 5.56 insect repellent was the right one.


32 posted on 05/05/2011 3:33:05 PM PDT by tanknetter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

No link? What’s the source for this article?


33 posted on 05/05/2011 3:33:44 PM PDT by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

(Later Justice) John Paul Stevens was one of the Navy cryptographers who helped decode the original message about Yamamoto’s tour.


35 posted on 05/05/2011 3:48:18 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro
Interesting story there.

I've always found it fascinating to read about Yamamoto's close ties to the U.S. in the decades before World War II. He attended Harvard from 1919-21 and was assigned to work in Washington D.C. for a while as a young naval officer. He also seemed to have a pretty keen sense of Japan's limitations in fighting the U.S. in the Pacific.

37 posted on 05/05/2011 3:57:27 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: FoxPro

About all the mission accomplished was to enshrine the memory of Admiral Yammoto. Subsequent events would have tarnished his reputation within the Japanese hirarchy, even though he had predicted them well in advance.

The interception was a technical and airmaship feat of note. Mag compasses in the P-38 were notoriously unreliable, so it was a remarkable feat of navigation by a single pilot aircraft reportedly conducted in complete radio silence. It also posed the possibility of exposing our ability to read the Japanese naval code.

Decades later a dispute grew among the surviving praticipating pilots as to who really “shot down Yammoto”. But there are no similarities between the interception of Yammoto and the taking of bin Laden IMO. Yammoto was a serving military member. Bin Laden was a terrorist. The former was a warrior, the latter merely a rat. >PS


48 posted on 05/05/2011 5:01:11 PM PDT by PiperShade
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson