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Expert: No Doubt Obama's Birth Certificate Is Legit
Fox News ^ | 4/29/11 | Jana Winter

Posted on 04/29/2011 5:52:16 PM PDT by Nachum

It didn’t take long for some of President Obama’s doubters to claim the long-awaited birth certificate posted online by the White House on Wednesday had been altered or might be a fake.

But a leading software expert says there’s no doubt about its authenticity, and he dismisses claims of fraud as flat-out wrong.

The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

“You should not be so suspicious about this,” Tremblay told FoxNews.com, dismissing the allegations.

Related Links Obama Birth Certificate Moved to More Secure Location Months Ago

He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birth; birthcertificate; bsexpert; certificate; certifigate; colbfake; expert; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamas
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To: RS_Rider

You OCR the document so you can search.


61 posted on 04/29/2011 6:43:11 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: visually_augmented

How do you explain the fraud?


62 posted on 04/29/2011 6:44:06 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

“Why would you use OCR on a document you were not going to modify?”

So you can search multiple documents.


63 posted on 04/29/2011 6:45:41 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: Nachum
Trembley is not using smoke and mirrors, but his explanation does not appear to have anything to do with the software he's talking about. If you open up any kind of file in Adobe-Illustrator you will find the effect.

The "layering" is an artifact of Adobe, not necessarily the document. If you open it up in some other print format software you'll see boxes around the various data elements ~ but it's all on one layer.

If you ever had to learn DEC systems updating protocols you'd know how this goes ~ or if you ran a PBX and had to update names, phone numbers, linkages, etc. you'd discover the same sort of internal structures.

What Trembley is doing is avoiding saying why those layers occur. He imagines that telling people something will simply generate more questions. As it is that very attitude is what got Obama in trouble with the public. He could have done this years ago but feared "questions".

Remember, Obama and his team are fairly stupid and they have reason to believe that people may ask questions they can't answer.

Obama should fix that problem sooner rather than later. Get some people into the White House on the administrative processes side who know up from down (just for a start, we can work up into the ranks of the Genius Bar later).

64 posted on 04/29/2011 6:45:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ctdonath2

Does OCR turn the stuff that looks like text into “cleaned up” text?


65 posted on 04/29/2011 6:47:59 PM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: Nachum
One of the comments on YouTube:

These two people are dumber than Sarah Palin. The so-called Photoshop "expert" needs to go back to school. He doesn't even know that whenever you scan any document into PDF and then open it with Adobe Illustrator, it will have layers. The "expert" is either incompetent or try to willfully fool people with this nonsense.

66 posted on 04/29/2011 6:48:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Brown Deer

Brown Deer:”How do you explain the fraud?”

What are you talking about? I just asked if anyone had more examples of signatures by U.K.C. Lee...


67 posted on 04/29/2011 6:48:29 PM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: visually_augmented

In the absence of a legitimate U. K. C. Lee turning up, I interpret it as evidence of a sloppy fraud.

How do you interpret the spelling of THE as TXE in the alleged rubber stamp?


68 posted on 04/29/2011 6:50:54 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 827 of our national holiday from reality. - What 3 AM phone call?)
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To: Nachum

The purported birth certificate does exactly what we conservatives wanted.

The document lists Barack Hussein Obama Sr. as the father; race African is a bit odd but the race doesn’t matter. The nationality of the father is what matters.

With an American mother and an African father, the current occupant of the White House CANNOT be a natural-born citizen and therefore CANNOT hold the office of President of the United States. Case closed.

Start the impeachment proceedings, please. Today.


69 posted on 04/29/2011 6:51:31 PM PDT by DNME (With the sound of distant drums ... something wicked this way comes.)
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To: Nachum

Ok if this is the normal way the software works, then do it again.

THIS IS BS FOLKS~!

I have 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE in computer software engineering and digital imaging.

If this is the truth I will go on the internet and publicly apologize and kiss this man’s ass on web-cam.

Why do they site this ‘expert’ and not me? Because he is sayting what they want to hear.

All I am saying is OK then, if this is true, DO IT AGAIN.

I dare you to try.


70 posted on 04/29/2011 6:51:50 PM PDT by Mr. K (this administration is WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY~!! [Palin/Bachman 2012])
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To: visually_augmented
What are you talking about?

I'm talking about the birth certificate. Do you think it's fraudulent or not? Please explain.
71 posted on 04/29/2011 6:52:05 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: JohnnyP
Does OCR turn the stuff that looks like text into “cleaned up” text?

In every case except this one, yes...

72 posted on 04/29/2011 6:52:35 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 827 of our national holiday from reality. - What 3 AM phone call?)
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To: RS_Rider

“Good point, I believe that OCR data would not be pixilated, it would convert into some type of font, is that not correct?”

Yes, indeedy, that is the whole point of optical character recognition: to convert an image into a text file.


73 posted on 04/29/2011 6:52:47 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: JohnnyP

It can, depending on settings.


74 posted on 04/29/2011 6:53:05 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Great children's books - http://www.UsborneBooksGA.com)
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To: over3Owithabrain; Nachum
Your post #31.

This BC is identified by it's own stamp as an "abstract".

Just as I was sort of putting this matter to rest and accepting the release, your statement has me thinking (cheers from the gallery). For it was stated that the good doctor Alvin T. Onaka PhD, had signed many, many forms. He had medical treatment for the damage to his hand in doing this. Therefore a rubber stamp was created with his signature.

Obviously there was a chance for his staff to use it. This stamp seemed to be for the purpose of the short form. Simply that an archivist or clerk had viewed the original form and transcribed the main details. Nothing wrong with that of course.

Now it seems to me that there was no need for such a use of the stamp in this case. For it purports to be the original long form. I thought and it is only a thought, that why did not the good doctor actually sign the long form on the back with his personal signature?. I presume his hand is now healed.

These and a few other questions, lead me to observe that "the jury is still out" on the latest release.

75 posted on 04/29/2011 6:53:54 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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Tremblay? Seriously?


76 posted on 04/29/2011 6:54:25 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Mr. K
THIS IS BS FOLKS~! I have 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE in computer software engineering and digital imaging.

Of course it is. Together we have over 50.
77 posted on 04/29/2011 6:55:13 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Nachum
Modern word processor vs. old fashioned typewriters. Guess which one centers and which one uses mechanical, hard to change tabs. Guess which one keeps x's inline with the rest of the text on the line.

Centered fields Real BC with tabs Real BC with tabs 2 Xs out of alignment

78 posted on 04/29/2011 6:56:25 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: Nachum

Expert: Any drip under pressure that is far enough from home that his reputation for mendacity has yet to catch up with him.


79 posted on 04/29/2011 6:57:08 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Nachum

instead of all these so-called experts, why aren’t the original documents being submitted to an independent, certified document forensics lab and then have those results released publicly?


80 posted on 04/29/2011 6:58:53 PM PDT by matt1
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