Posted on 04/27/2011 8:58:36 AM PDT by grundle
I don't consider myself to be a "birther," but I am not a fool either.
The document that Obama released today says that it is an "abstract" of the record on file.
In law, an "abstract" is defined as "a brief statement that contains the most important points of a long legal document or of several related legal papers."
So it's not the actual form.
Also, it's printed on modern computer paper.
And it's dated "April 25 2011."
I believe the information from the original abstract is transferred to the computer paper but the font looks like 60s era typeface to me. At any rate, I think it’s legit and am ready to move on. Let’s have Obama explain how since his father was not a citizen, he is a natural-born citizen.
The Smoking Gun News has the registrar as “Ukulele”.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513
Other problems listed on the The Smoking Gun
It appears the “M” you are referring to is preprinted on the page so the person filling out paperwork merely fills in A or P to indicate time of birth.
Thank you
I guess this is what Barry considers compromise.
We want the original released. He doesn’t. The compromise is a version that is not the original.
We still want the actual, original birth certificate released. Not a fax, not a photocopy, not an ‘abstract’. We want the exact original birth certificate.
Why? Because you’ve spent two million in court keeping it sealed. That’s why. We don’t trust the copy or abstract. considering the first one was doctored we can’t trust anything but the actual original
What’s funny is that there’s no difference between The Smoking Gun’s satire and the stupid crap you read here.
It won’t settle the issue for these people any more than forensics settled the 9/11 Truthers issues or the “Moon landing was actually in Arizona” believers.
FWIW, the “Obama” in that signature doesn’t look like Stanely Ann’s signature, to me. The rest may be. The “Obama” looks like a drop in. The “(Stanley)” is too small for me to tell. The “Ann Dunham” could pass as legit.
People sign the original document. They don’t show up to also sign an abstract. Obama can request a certified copy of the original document with an impressed seal and show that. That would end this, but that’s not what they want. I want to see the real thing.
Note that the green security lines don't bend when the black lines do.
Until today I was not a "birther," but now I am. The reason is the document released. Look at the black line above block 1a where it curves down. Where it is horizontal (not curved), and behind it are two horizonal dashed green lines on the paper. That black line is just above the lower of the two green lines. Now where it curves down, at the far left side where it is shadowed and you will see the curved black line is far below BOTH dashed green lines. Furthermore, the dashed green line on the left side of the tear perfectly matches horizontally with the dashed green line in the shaded area, in other words the black line has curved downward, but the dashed green lines did not. This is physically NOT possible for either the black line to now be below the green lines, or for those green lines to match up, unless this is a forgery which I am convinced it is now. I am going to post this observation as many places as possible, and would like someone to explain away both of these anomalies as being something other than proof of a forgery. - JohnDD (Arizona and Washington State)
I've got bad news for you: you are both.
I believe the information from the original abstract is transferred to the computer paper but the font looks like 60s era typeface to me. At any rate, I think it’s legit and am ready to move on. Let’s have Obama explain how since his father was not a citizen, he is a natural-born citizen.
Wouldn’t it be easier to just photocopy and certify? Istead they match up the type on the original to issue it on modern computer paper? That makes no sense.
It's Urkel:
Because the green security lines aren't original, but part of the paper it was printed on.
Well, it’s foolish to compare the reservations folks SHOULD HOLD about this certificate to the 9/11 Truthers. Real forensic engineering does show that the buildings would fail just as they did on 9/11 when hit by a high speed fuel loaded heavy passenger jet.
But here in the Birth Certificate issue, WHERE are the honest forensic examinations? None, at least as yet. And YOU know how HONEST Obama is, don’t you?
Hehehehehhe.
People sign the original document. They don’t show up to also sign an abstract. Obama can request a certified copy of the original document with an impressed seal and show that. That would end this, but that’s not what they want. I want to see the real thing.
So that makes 3 big problems with this and we aren’t even remotely experts. I can’t wait til the experts get hold of this.
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