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Go ahead and tear it apart.
1 posted on 04/27/2011 1:13:09 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Okay, we'll start with the simple one. In order to pass along American citizenship, momma had to be an American citizen, living in America for five consecutive years, after her 14th birthday. In other words, she had to be at least 19 years old. She was 18 3/4 years old when Bammi was born.
2 posted on 04/27/2011 1:19:30 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: America's last, best hope for survival.)
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Seems now the argument is being twisted to one parent instead of two parents for natural born citizens.

This whole thing is consuming the political landscape and both sides seems to think its a winning issue for them.


3 posted on 04/27/2011 1:21:47 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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Adams also said that rather than the usual office where birth reports came to from the hospitals, Obama’s was to another office which was a short distance from the grandparent’s house.

The experts can address the NBC issues. (1) He can never be a NBC because his father wasn’t a U.S. Citizen. Need BOTH parents to be citizens. (2) SADO has her own issues. Need to have been in the U.S. for five years and wasn’t (I forget the legal point there. (3) Indonesia doesn’t allow dual citizenship and Barry could have only attended school there as a citizen of that country. He renounced his U.S. citizenship.

Of course, also a major credibility issue if the long form birth certificate says anything drastically different than the COLB or what Obama has said.


4 posted on 04/27/2011 1:21:53 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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Once again, they are attempting to move the goalposts.


5 posted on 04/27/2011 1:24:52 AM PDT by Ronin ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" -- Bertrand de Jouve)
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The editor of that paper is a lawyer and an Obama supporter I'm guessing.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

6 posted on 04/27/2011 1:25:01 AM PDT by expatguy (Donations Keep The Expat Fueled !)
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What does this prove? That Obama is a fraud and a liar? Didn’t we all know that?


8 posted on 04/27/2011 1:27:32 AM PDT by Armaggedon
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Two American citizen parents on American soil. Period!


10 posted on 04/27/2011 1:30:24 AM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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In this day and age, I find it very hard to believe that the POTUS can't have any kind of document he would want perfectly forged.
23 posted on 04/27/2011 3:05:09 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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Conspiracy theorists have pointed to irregularities in Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth” issued by the State of Hawaii.
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Where is the evidence it was issued by the State of Hawaii?

There is plenty of evidence that the COLBs are forgeries.

And....Obama himself has never spoken about it. The best we get from his spokesman is that it ( no specification of which one) was posted by the “campaign”.

25 posted on 04/27/2011 3:37:45 AM PDT by wintertime
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Barack Obama’s mother was an American citizen.
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Well! Gee!......What about the babies born in Vietnam whose fathers’ were American soldiers. Given this reasoning **any** of these Vietnam citizens ( communists by the way) could live here 14 years and be president.

26 posted on 04/27/2011 3:43:24 AM PDT by wintertime
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Here's my conspiracy theory:

If the editor of the Provo Daily Herald states the obvious truth, he makes Orin Hatch look even more foolish! And...The editor would stop being invited to the parties thrown by the governor and other Repugnants who protect Obama. No Repugnant would ever give him an interview again.

Please remember that Huntsman is one of Obama’s ambassadors. Please remember that every one of the Repugnants in the Utah legislature and the attorney general FAILED to defend the Constitution.

27 posted on 04/27/2011 3:49:14 AM PDT by wintertime
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Conspiracy theorists have pointed to irregularities in Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" issued by the State of Hawaii.

I was under the impression concerning this official document that no one has actually SEEN the original COLB issued by the state of Hawaii? I thought no one was allowed to view it per Hawaii state law?

28 posted on 04/27/2011 4:03:26 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free)
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“Where was President Barack Obama born? In Kenya, as his grandmother is alleged to have said”

That is not quite what she said...Listen for yourself.

http://s16v.com/americasright/8167169.wma

Born in U.S. in Hawaii.


30 posted on 04/27/2011 4:08:56 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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Barack Obama's mother was an American citizen. That makes Barack Obama a "natural born" American citizen, regardless what country he might have been born in.

The Editor doesn't realize the federal law at the time BO/BS was born required a parent to be physically in the U.S. at least ten years, five years after the age of fourteen to transfer her citizenship to him. That means BO's/BS's mother needed to be at least 19 years of age. His mother was only 18 years of age and therefore was too young to transfer to citizenship to BO/BS.
31 posted on 04/27/2011 4:19:30 AM PDT by Defend Liberty
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Without the actual, real birth certificate, how do we know who his birth mother is?

I would be curious to see all of Hussein’s hidden records, for school, his college acceptance, his college thesis, his Senate logs....where are these?

How can the media continue to just trust whatever this guy says, especially when he so easily lies?


35 posted on 04/27/2011 5:21:04 AM PDT by KEmom (Proud to be a Mama Grizzly!!!)
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A bit of a threadjack but I need to ask; Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that ever since Trump hit the street with his “eligibility” campaign, Michelle Obama has been eerily quiet? Given her obvious proclivity for eligibility gaffes (Barack’s home Country,) I'm thinking she's been relegated to fashion magazines and “The View” appearances.
38 posted on 04/27/2011 6:10:21 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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RE: 2nd COLB

From a poster at The Smoking Gun:

Try the following: Save off a copy of the exact PDF file the White House has released as Obama's birth certificate this morning. Find yourself a copy of Adobe Illustrator (not Photoshop), and load up the PDF file in Illustrator. Then click on the center of the image of the birth certificate, then right-click on the center of the image, and click Release Clipping Mask. Have fun...

45 posted on 04/27/2011 8:50:51 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2711261/posts

State Department wants to make it harder to get a passport.
Consumer Traveler.com ^ | April 22, 2011 | Edward Hasbrouck

Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:00:54 AM by Grampa Dave

If you don’t want it to get even harder for a U.S. citizen to get a passport — now required for travel even to Canada or Mexico — you only have until Monday to let the State Department know.

The U.S. Department of State is proposing a new Biographical Questionnaire for some passport applicants: The proposed new Form DS-5513 asks for all addresses since birth; lifetime employment history including employers’ and supervisors names, addresses, and telephone numbers; personal details of all siblings; mother’s address one year prior to your birth; any “religious ceremony” around the time of birth; and a variety of other information. According to the proposed form, “failure to provide the information requested may result in … the denial of your U.S. passport application.”

The State Department estimated that the average respondent would be able to compile all this information in just 45 minutes, which is obviously absurd given the amount of research that is likely to be required to even attempt to complete the form.

It seems likely that only some, not all, applicants will be required to fill out the new questionnaire, but no criteria have been made public for determining who will be subjected to these additional new written interrogatories. So if the passport examiner wants to deny your application, all they will have to do is give you the impossible new form to complete.

It’s not clear from the supporting statement, statement of legal authorities, or regulatory assessment submitted by the State Department to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) why declining to discuss one’s siblings or to provide the phone number of your first supervisor when you were a teenager working at McDonalds would be a legitimate basis for denial of a passport to a U.S. citizen.

There’s more information in the Federal Register notice (also available here as a PDF) and from the Identity Project.

You can submit comments to the State Dept. online at Regulations.gov until midnight Eastern time on Monday, April 25, 2011. Go here, then click the “Submit a Comment” button at the upper right of the page. If that link doesn’t work for you, it’s probably a problem with the javascript used on the Regulations.gov website. There are alternate instructions for submitting comments by email here.


46 posted on 04/27/2011 9:39:36 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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