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WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED IN 2,066 YEARS?
55 B.C. | CICERO

Posted on 04/21/2011 10:47:17 AM PDT by Wuli

QUESTION : WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED IN 2,066 YEARS?

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt.

People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

- CICERO - 55 BC

ANSWER : APPARENTLY NOTHING


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: debt; godsgravesglyphs; obama; rome
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More from one of those dastardly "dead white men". /sarc
1 posted on 04/21/2011 10:47:21 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

SSDD.


2 posted on 04/21/2011 10:55:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Wuli
The Romans then voted for the instatement of Consuls who would beat down enemies and conquer new lands. Remember, Britain wasn't reduced until 30 AD or thereabouts, 75 years later!

Riches rolled into Rome like a tsunami of gold.

Now that doesn't mean he was wrong, but it turned out he was narrowly focused on a single method.

3 posted on 04/21/2011 10:57:32 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
By that logic we should invade China or Saudi Arabia to save ourselves. Somehow I doubt that would work out.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the rise of imperial tyranny though, as the citizen-slaves of America crave security and the dole amidst unrest and poverty.

4 posted on 04/21/2011 11:04:44 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Liberty, not License. Freedom, not Slavery.)
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To: Wuli
Actually we've learned a lot. But what societies haven't learned is something remarkably simple. Societies are no better than the people comprise them. No matter what form of government a country has, if the people aren't of quality, the country will not be. This is a bitter pill for most to accept and liberals will never accept it.

Societies decline because because the ratio of problem solvers to problem makers falls below a intangible threshold. When this happens, society goes into a tailspin and it's near to impossible for it to recover. This is where the US is today. Obama's election merely confirms this.
5 posted on 04/21/2011 11:05:52 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Wuli
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.
6 posted on 04/21/2011 11:06:04 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Liberty1970
Invade China?

Why would you do that? China's a net loss ~ as every invader soon discovers. There are lot of people there, with great demands for food and stuff.

But Saudi? They've got oil. Actually, the reports are Iraq has even more oil. I think since we are already there we should stay there and start pumping.

7 posted on 04/21/2011 11:08:44 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv

Cicero PING!


8 posted on 04/21/2011 11:08:55 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: Wuli

Nero fiddled while Rome burned; Obama golfs as America burns.


9 posted on 04/21/2011 11:11:11 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Wuli

Actual quote from Cicero: “The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and assistance to foreign hands should be curtailed, lest Rome fall.”

The various additions and modifications floating around on the interwebs are phony. Although there is a real good chance Cicero would have agreed with many if not all of them.


10 posted on 04/21/2011 11:11:19 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Wuli
There is only one thing wrong with this, that is it is one of those Internet lies. Not said by the man in 55 BC.
11 posted on 04/21/2011 11:13:24 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Sherman Logan

Damn, beat me by 3 seconds.


12 posted on 04/21/2011 11:15:05 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: truthguy
No matter what form of government a country has, if the people aren't of quality, the country will not be. This is a bitter pill for most to accept and liberals will never accept it. Societies decline because because the ratio of problem solvers to problem makers falls below a intangible threshold.

Absolutely correct. This is why a liberal should be trusted with a position of authority no greater than a college professor or ambassador to Krapistan, IOW, the theoretical world where their cockamamie theories actually work . . . at least in their imagination.

13 posted on 04/21/2011 11:16:40 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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14 posted on 04/21/2011 11:27:21 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: org.whodat

To be fair, the wisdom of a statement is not inherently dependent on who says it. Truth is truth and lies are lies regardless of the source.

Although reasonable people take the source into consideration.


15 posted on 04/21/2011 11:59:00 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Wuli

You guys should read Martin Armstrong more, he puts history on a time-line or cycle chart. Greed, power, deception, destruction occurs on a regular basis.

http://armstrongeconomics.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/armstrongeconomics-other-side-of-inflation-041111.pdf


16 posted on 04/21/2011 12:01:01 PM PDT by Razzz42
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To: org.whodat

Actual source for most of the verbiage is a 50s historical novel about Cicero.

Who, BTW, was not entirely an admirable character. Set new standards in thinking highly of himself, even for a Roman aristocrat, which took some doing.

But admirable characters were thin on the ground at the time, at least in public life, and tended to not last long.


17 posted on 04/21/2011 12:02:03 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: truthguy

No matter what form of government a country has, if the people aren't of quality, the country will not be. ...

...This is where the US is today. Obama's election merely confirms this.

About eighty percent of the US Senators do also.

The disturbing thing is that this has truly changed ("hope and change") in the US over the last fifty years. It is virtually impossible to describe that to the newer generations, vis-a-vis historical revisionism, distortion, academic pedantry; other than to personally live one's values.

18 posted on 04/21/2011 12:04:16 PM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: Wuli

I want to see Caesar’s birth certificate!!!


19 posted on 04/21/2011 12:05:22 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: Night Hides Not
I want to see Caesar’s birth certificate!!!

Is Trump our Brutus?

20 posted on 04/21/2011 12:22:31 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (I'm sure that Obama loves his country, I'm just not sure which country is his.)
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