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Immigration Activist Warns of 'Civil War'
CIS ^ | April 21, 2011 | Jerry Kammer

Posted on 04/21/2011 10:13:13 AM PDT by La Lydia

Juan Jose Gutierrez, the president of an immigration activist group called Vamos Unidos, predicts that hundreds of thousands of people will march in Los Angeles on May Day, demanding legalization for illegal immigrants. In an appearance Sunday on the Univision program "Al Punto", Gutierrez said that legalization is the only way out of the current policy stalemate. Expressing alarm that federal authorities have deported more than 800,000 illegal immigrants during the Obama administration, he warned that unless Congress passes immigration reform, mounting frustrations with enforcement of immigration laws could lead to violence. Here is an excerpt from his comments:

What is the country going to do? When are they going to start arresting – not 800,000 – all of us? When are they going to declare war on us? When will there be a civil war in this country? Is that what the country wants? Is that what the president wants? Is that what the leaders in Congress want? That there be conflicts like we had in the sixties, where the violence explodes? Because our people – it has to be said clearly – can't take any more.

In an apparent reference to total number of illegal immigrants arrested and removed from the country, through deportations carried out by ICE and "voluntary returns" carried out by the Border Patrol, Gutierrez then said:

We're talking about more than a million people that they have been deporting every year for more than 25 years. This doesn't happen anyplace in the world. We need to be grateful that it hasn't happened to more people here, taking into account what has happened in France with the immigrants, in Spain and in other countries where there has been real violence. And here there is still time to (solve the problem) civically.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; civilwarii; cwii; cwiiping; illegalimmigration; illegals; invasion; mexico; ruleoflaw
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To: La Lydia

Once again, on May Day, the day Commies march.


81 posted on 04/21/2011 3:10:43 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: Americanexpat

Notice how he said, “our people”.


82 posted on 04/21/2011 3:17:56 PM PDT by MrInvisible
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To: spodefly

I could see bigbrother using military hardware on American citizens. They didn’t have a problem with bombing Christian Serbs or supporting Turkey to gain EU membership, and they’ve actively supported the muzzies in France according to wikileaks.


83 posted on 04/21/2011 3:20:03 PM PDT by MrInvisible
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To: La Lydia

It’s not a “civil war”. It’s an OUTRIGHT INVASION from Mexico.

They claim THIS land by birthright “history”.

It’s seditious treason and should be labeled as such.

The LEFT loves these “souderners” who want to refight old battles over territory.


84 posted on 04/21/2011 3:20:43 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: BradtotheBone
My, how arrogant these people get when their initial lawlessness is ignored.

Which lawlessness are you referring to?

Crossing the border illegally?

Stealing social securty numbers?

Falsifying identification?

Nonpayment of taxes?

The list goes on.

85 posted on 04/21/2011 3:23:03 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: La Lydia
We're talking about more than a million people that they have been deporting every year for more than 25 years. This doesn't happen anyplace in the world. We need to be grateful that it hasn't happened to more people here, taking into account what has happened in France with the immigrants, in Spain and in other countries where there has been real violence. And here there is still time to (solve the problem) civically.

Pshaaw.

How much violence in Mexico is caused by THAT country deporting those who illegally enter their southern border?

86 posted on 04/21/2011 3:25:35 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The biggest waste of brainpower is to want to change something that's not changeable. -Albert Brooks)
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To: La Lydia
We're talking about more than a million people that they have been deporting every year for more than 25 years. This doesn't happen anyplace in the world.

Except here in the u.S. where you border bunnies have been hopping our fence and swimming our river to the tune of THREE million a year for the past ten years.

Do they have a stupid gene or something? Sheesh!

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87 posted on 04/21/2011 3:48:14 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: GeronL
The only way to end the murders in this country is to legalize murder.

Thanks for being a thread-hijacking moron. Bonus points for engaging in an absolutely asinine comparison.
88 posted on 04/21/2011 3:56:20 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Yorlik803

“Dont bet the farm. A lot of Wetbacks are in savage street gangs with access to lots of cash and weapons. Add to the fact that some illegals are Muslim that snuck into the country and it could get messy.”

Well, a lot of my friends are retired Marines, Rangers, a SEAL, and a bona fide sniper. Most of those who aren’t practice regularly at 200 yards. 25 yards with handguns.

They wouldn’t get close enough to bring their banging ways to me and mine if that was their intent.

So yes, I would bet the farm on it, but only in self-defense.


89 posted on 04/21/2011 4:41:03 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: Yorlik803; Admin Moderator

BTW, “wetback” is offensive. Why give the opposition ammo by using such vulgar language?

Admin Mod, submitted for your zottage. (I quoted it, too, before I caught it, so pls feel free to zot my reply.)


90 posted on 04/21/2011 4:51:36 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: a fool in paradise; Travis McGee

>>They claim THIS land by birthright “history”.

Here’s the real history from my FR profile page.

Courtesy of Travis McGee:

“The True History of the Southwest, 101”

The amount of historical idiocy and fallacies surrounding the history of the Southwest is staggering, chief among them the “Aztlan” fairy tales. What’s the truth? How did the Spanish Europeans conquer the Southwest? The “conquistadores” (that means “conquerors”) did it with the lance, and the lash.

For example, in 1541 Coronado entered present-day New Mexico (which included present-day Arizona during the Spanish era) searching for the “lost cities of gold.” One of his first actions upon meeting the natives was to burn 100s of them alive in their dwellings, for not handing over suspected horse thieves. That is how Spain conquered the natives of the present US Southwest—not with hugs and kisses. It was certainly no love-fest between long-lost brown-skinned soul-mates, as it is often portrayed today by the delusional Aztlaners, who spin the “new bronze race of Mestizos” toro-mierda.

By 1821, Mexico City was strong enough to overthrow the even more decrepit and ineffectual Spanish rule. However, the distant provinces of the current U.S. Southwest were far beyond the reach of the authority of the independent but strife-torn government of Mexico City. These distant northern provinces received neither military protection nor needed levels of trade from the south. Under Spanish rule, trade with the USA was forbidden, but at least Spain provided trade and Army protection from hostile Indians. Under Mexican abandonment and neglect, the Southwest received neither trade nor protection from Mexico City.

For example, Comanches and Apaches ran rampant in the 1830s in this power vacuum created by Mexican neglect, burning scores of major ranches that had been active for hundreds of years and massacring their inhabitants. Mexico City could neither defend nor keep the allegiance of its nominal subjects in these regions. Nor did it provide needed levels of trade to sustain the prior Spanish-era standard of living. Mexican governmental influence atrophied, withered and died at the same time that American pathfinders were opening up new routes into the region.

Increasingly, a growing United States of America was making inroads into the Southwest, via ships into California, and via gigantic wagon trains of trade goods over the Santa Fe Trail from St. Louis. The standard of living of the SPANISH in these provinces subsequently increased enormously, which is why they did not support Mexico City in the 1846-48 war. In fact, the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER considered themselves “Mexicans” at all, ever. They went, in their own eyes, from SPANISH directly to AMERICAN. To this very day, if you want a punch in the nose, just call an Hispanic native of New Mexico a “Mexican!”

So how long did Mexico City have even nominal jurisdiction (in their eyes) over the American Southwest? For only 25 years, during which they had no effective control, and the area slipped backwards by every measure until the arrival of the Americans. The SPANISH inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER transferred their loyalty to Mexico City, because all they received from the chaotic Mexican government was misrule, neglect, and unchecked Indian raids.

Since then, how long has the area been under firm American control? For 150 continuous years, during which time the former Spanish inhabitants of the region, now American citizens, have prospered beyond the wildest dreams of the Mexicans still stuck in Mexico. To compare the infrastructure, roads, schools, hospitals etc of the two regions is to understand the truth. The Mexican government has been mired in graft, corruption, nepotism and chaos from the very start until today. The ordinary Mexican peons have been trampled and abused, while only the super-rich elites have thrived. This is why millions of Mexicans want to escape from Mexico today, to enjoy the benefits of living in America that they can never hope to obtain in Mexico.

And because today Mexico is a corrupt third-world pest-hole, (despite having more millionaires and billionaires than Great Britain), we are now supposed to let any Mexican from Chiapas, Michoacan or Yucatan march into the American Southwest, and make some “historical claim” of a right to live there?

From where does this absurd idea spring?

At what point in history did Indians and Mestizos from Zacatecas or Durango stake a claim on the American Southwest? Neither they nor their ancestors ever lived for one single day in the American Southwest. The Spanish living in the Southwest in 1846 stayed there, and became Americans by the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. There were no Spanish inhabitants of the Southwest who were marched to the border and driven into Mexico. It didn’t happen. The SPANISH in the Southwest welcomed American citizenship, which brought stability, protection from Indian raids, and a vast increase in their standard of living with the increase in trade.

In summary, NO current inhabitants of Mexico have ANY claim on even one single inch of the Southwest!

NOT ONE citizen of Mexico is sneaking into the USA to reclaim property their ancestors were deprived of, NOT ONE.

They are criminal invaders and colonizers, pure and simple.

It’s time Americans learned the true history, as a counter to the prevalent Aztlaner fairy tales.


91 posted on 04/21/2011 5:42:51 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: La Lydia

Ah, hem,,,,,tiz not civil war if the illegals start it, it is INVASION.

FIX BAYONETS~~BATTLE SIGHTS ZERO


92 posted on 04/21/2011 5:49:12 PM PDT by Concho (-)
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To: La Lydia

One hell of a lot of them will fall before thay get me!

Bring it on jerks!


93 posted on 04/21/2011 5:54:10 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Concho
We are already being invaded for a long time.

I don't want to say the nasty stuff with guns.
But:
1. They are illegal
2. They are stealing our money

94 posted on 04/21/2011 6:05:35 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Voting for the crazy conservative gave us Ronald Reagan....Ann Coulter)
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To: piytar

“Operation wetback” was our governments policy that removed 2 million Mexican “wetbacks” from our country under our beloved President Eisenhower. What a wonderful President and policy. We need it now because I can assure you that with our House of Representatives— “amnesty” is toast” Adios.


95 posted on 04/21/2011 6:19:23 PM PDT by k5kor
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To: k5kor

Oh, I agree with that! It’s just that leftscum troll Free Republic looking for anything they can use to paint us as racists. There have even been occassions where they sign up, post racist garbage, screen cap it, then use that as evidence we’re all racist neo-nazis.

I’d rather not give them easy ammo, that’s all.


96 posted on 04/21/2011 6:25:59 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: La Lydia
Well pal, in case you didn't know it, we don't need Obama's permission to protect ourselves. It might just well be better for the country in the long run if you bring it on now and we settle this sooner rather than later.............

PS: bring all of your friends, lots of lead to go around. I've been preparing for your company for some time.


97 posted on 04/21/2011 6:45:05 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: piytar
I’d rather not give them easy ammo, that’s all.

You are breathing. That's enough for them. And I'm NOT being flippant.

98 posted on 04/21/2011 6:47:25 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“You are breathing. That’s enough for them. And I’m NOT being flippant.”

You make a good and valid point. (I’m not being flippant, either.)


99 posted on 04/21/2011 7:17:32 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

If actual shooting escalates into civil war there wont be 3 living mexicans to rub together in this entire country.
I don’t know where you are from and I don’t care, but I know exactly how to fight and win - and the feds will have very little say when “we” are done..


100 posted on 04/21/2011 7:23:38 PM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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