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To: Smokeyblue
thanks for posting..I'm back and read through the thread most has been covered. I will wait to confirm this change through Hawaii officials before I explode..I believe if they are in fact trying to do this they will have bitten off more than they can chew...

Class Action Civil Suits or every individual sue and get a minimum of $1,000 damages per UIPA(those born in Hawaii request long forms-do it now).
RICO action
Complaint for Criminal Violation of Civil Rights under color of law
FRAUD
numerous other problems, including risking having all their Birth certificates uncertified and require complete long forms like Puerto Rico, California Texas and others to get passports.
decertified as to full faith and credit - they now have a secret government.
Request the Office of Personnel Management-OPM not accept any applications for Federal employment without a bonafide long form birth certificate from Hawaii.(for those born there)
Have the US House of Representatives refuse to give any funds to Hawaii. Cut them off.
Boycott tourism to Hawaii.
Place an embargo on Hawaii and prevent any ships carrying Baskin and Robbins Ice Cream to land in the Islands (lol)

While I am not an attorney and have not recently stayed at a holiday Inn Express,(maybe heading to Hawaii for a working vacation- attn Mr Trump I'm available and am an experienced investigator) there are three basic tenants of all public records:
1) if it pertains to you and is not classified or part of an ongoing criminal investigation you can get it and see it (a few other exceptions).
2) If they let you see it you can get a copy of it.
3. if it is public in one part of the govt it is public everywhere.

Hawaii just laid a big brown trout and it will cause more suspicion to come to the public.

IT IS TIME FOR OUR CONGRESS-ISSA or SOMEONE to subpoena ALL OF OBAMA’s RECORDS. TRUST IN ALL PARTS OF OUR GOVERNMENT IS SHATTERED TO HELL. I'd like to hear Mr. Donofrio's take on this !

141 posted on 04/12/2011 4:28:48 PM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: rolling_stone; butterdezillion; LucyT; All

I just ordered my (what they call) Birth Certificate from Hawaii, on-line. The total cost of ordering 1 BC was $11.50 using the online form.

I was born in Hawaii in 1968 for anyone’s curiosity.

The online ordering system was very basic. It never gave me the opportunity to say if I wanted the short form or the “Certificate of Live Birth” which I have. (long form)

I ordered it, received a receipt, saying it would be sent out in about 2 weeks.

So I followed up with a phone call to tech support to ask my question about which form I would receive. They told me they couldn’t answer my question, but gave me a couple of numbers to try. These numbers are constantly busy. I will keep trying.

I then sent an email to “vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov“. This was the email given to me over the phone.
I asked in the email which form I would be receiving after ordering my BC online.

I will let everyone know if and when a response is received. Or when I can get through on the phone.

Of course I will let everyone know what certificate Hawaii sends me in the mail.

Hope this will help.


155 posted on 04/12/2011 6:06:29 PM PDT by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: rolling_stone

The HDOH doing this means that state eligibility bills should authorize and/or require the SOS to subpoena the birth and citizenship records as well as the embedded transaction logs and complete vital records history.

The thing that hits me with this is the seeming coordination between Fukino, the current HDOH Director, and the AG’s office. When they called Fukino to tell her that long-forms are illegally being denied to requesters, did they also describe the forged long-form that the current director allowed to be placed in their office, once Neal Palafox was ousted by a joint effort of Abercrombie, Okubo, and the AG?

Everything about the Hawaii government at this point is lawless.


165 posted on 04/12/2011 8:35:07 PM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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