[Windflier]

I may be mistaken but the short form may not get you a drivers license in some states.

I know from personal experience that a short form won't get you a Texas driver's license.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

I renewed in September, had to order a notarized copy of the original BC, get a new SS card, all kinds of stuff. This was to renew a license I've had for over 50 years. They had to copy everything to document that all legal procedures were carried out, they did everything but use a magnifying glass.

Maybe we need to require a drivers license for anyone running for president.