Posted on 04/12/2011 12:59:48 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
Miki Booth has just reported via telephone to The Post & Email that a man born and currently residing in Hawaii went to the Department of Health this morning and requested a copy of his long-form birth certificate. He was refused, told that it was no longer available and that all he could obtain is the short-form document.
The man had obtained his short-form “Certificate of Live Birth” several weeks ago and reported to Miki that the request form had had two different boxes which could be checked: one indicating that the short-form was being requested and the other that the long-form was desired.
Today, the man reported that the form has been changed such that that choice is no longer available.
Therefore, when Dr. Chiyome Fukino spoke with MSNBC on Monday morning, she apparently was not lying when she said that long-form birth certificates are no longer available.
But why was that change made? Who ordered the change in policy? Was it made because Donald Trump has demanded that Obama release his original, detailed birth certificate to support his claim of a Hawaii birth?
The witness who accompanied the gentleman has a daughter who obtained a copy of her long-form birth certificate last month. The document was provided to Miki Booth, who supplied it to The Post & Email here.
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they just had to destroy “the WON” .. or “misplace” itBut that would be suspicious. If they destroy everyone's BC, then there is nothing "special" about Obama not having one.
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I was just told over the phone by someone in the Vital Records Dept. in Hawaii that they would supply a copy of the long form IF the person had an unusual name with weird/unusual letters or punctuations.
They said the computer generated COLB would not transfer those letters to the certificate.
So in those instances (very weird spelling of name) they would have to give out the long-form (Certificate of Birth)
This means to me they have not destroyed the original long forms. If needed they could give out a copy.
I was just told this today.
>But that would be suspicious. If they destroy everyone’s BC, then there is nothing “special” about Obama not having one.<
But don’t you remember that is exactly what happened with the “break in” with his passport before the election?
His was “stolen”
He has the worst luck you see. he “lost” his thesis ... his original passport was “stolen”
and then he could say his dog ate his birth certificate .. must be just bad luck eh?
What you are seeing is Hawaii changing their procedures to comply with the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004: National Standards for Drivers’ Licenses, Social Security Cards, and Birth Certificates.
The Federal government has mandated a minimum set of requirements for birth certificates:
“(b) Standards for Acceptance by Federal Agencies. -
“(1) In general. - Beginning 2 years after the promulgation of
minimum standards under paragraph (3), no Federal agency may
accept a birth certificate for any official purpose unless the
certificate conforms to such standards.
“(A) at a minimum, shall require certification of the birth
certificate by the State or local government custodian of
record that issued the certificate, and shall require the use
of safety paper or an alternative, equally secure medium, the
seal of the issuing custodian of record, and other features
designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or otherwise
duplicating the birth certificate for fraudulent purposes;
So Federal law is driving changes in birth certificates. What does the Federal government require as a minimum to be on a birth certificate as proof of citizenship? This:
(a) Primary evidence of birth in the United States. A person born in the United States generally must submit a birth certificate. The birth certificate must show the full name of the applicant, the applicant’s place and date of birth, the full name of the parent(s), and must be signed by the official custodian of birth records, bear the seal of the issuing office, and show a filing date within one year of the date of birth.
I think the requirement for safety paper eliminates photocopies of old paper birth certificates. So States are now simply producing electronic copies in accordance with Federal law – it easier and cheaper to print COLBs. And since they meet Federal standards, they are good for passports, security clearances and anything else that requires proof of citizenship.
I also doubt that as states and hospitals move towards electronic medical records, the traditional “long form” birth certificate is actually produced (i.e. printed out). The information is available in a database but there is no need to print it out.
Federal requirements have changed due to the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004: National Standards for Drivers’ Licenses, Social Security Cards, and Birth Certificates.
One thing that is mandates is security paper - which would eliminate photocopies I would think.
All the Federal government requires on a birth certificate is:
A person born in the United States generally must submit a birth certificate. The birth certificate must show the full name of the applicant, the applicant’s place and date of birth, the full name of the parent(s), and must be signed by the official custodian of birth records, bear the seal of the issuing office, and show a filing date within one year of the date of birth.
My son’s COLB was printed on safety paper and has all the required data - since it meets all Federal standards it was accepted.
It is called a Certification of Vital Record
It has the following data:
1. State file number
2. Name of Registrant
3. Date of Birth
4. Sex
5. Maiden name of Mother
6. Mothers place of birth
7. Mothers age
8. Name of father
9. Fathers place of birth
10. Fathers age
11. Date Record filed
12. Date issued
It is printed on security paper and has an embossed seal.
It has the printed signature of the State Registrar Deborah Little-Bowser
It is form number VS 15B
I don’t think my son has a long form birth certificate - it is a meaningless concept in the age of electronic records. The hospital sent the state a electronic record with a bunch of date signed by an electronic signature. The state put that data in a database and then extracted a portion of it to print his birth certificate. There is no physical document on file with a doctor’s signature - just data in a database. I don’t know if they would give me access to it. I don’t know what they would call it if they printed it out but I doubt it would be called a birth certificate.
The state only gives you one option and that is “birth certificate”. I take that to mean I would get another copy of what I have right now.
Ask if Hawaii Revised Statute 338-13 was changed and if not, why they are not issuing the certificate according to law, since it says they shall issue a certified copy of any certificate?? If that law or the associated laws weren’t changed, they have no basis for withholding a copy of the original long-form.
Left out Place of Birth. Just lists town and state.
:-)
2. Name of Registrant
3. Date of Birth
4. Sex
5. Maiden name of Mother
6. Mothers place of birth
7. Mothers age
8. Name of father
9. Fathers place of birth
10. Fathers age
11. Date Record filed
12. Date issued
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Thanks for the information above.
1. I think that there has to be a document somewhere with the doctor's name and hospital name on it, because if later in life, your child has to go to court to settle a legal dispute, I believe that the opposing side could ask to see a long form birth certificate with a doctor's name and signature and the name of the hospital.
2. Obama's short form: It has a place to list the race of each parent. Interestingly, yours does not.
3. That is one reason why I believe that there has to be a more detailed birth certificate for your child somewhere, because the race of the parents is not listed on your child's short form, and I would think that one of the key pieces of information that the Vital Statistics department would want for its records would be the race of the parents.
4. Obama's short form birth certificate that we see on the internet:
a. Mother: No place of birth or age
b. Father: No place of birth or age
I find the lack of information about the place of birth and age of the parents on Obama's short form very interesting. I'm not sure what it all means.
I have a state-issued “Certificate of Live Birth”. It is marked “Certification of Vital Record”.
I also have a county-issued “Certificate of Birth Registration” with the raised stamp.
Both have both my parents’ names and the first lists the age and place of birth of each.
Only the state-issued one is accepted for getting a DL, for example.
In Texas, I can get a "computer" copy of my B.C. from any of the 254 County Clerks, or the State. Last time I tried, I could still get a "long form" B.C. if I traveled to the county of my birth, paid for parking, made my way through the winos bums inadequately housed lining the sidewalks, and pushed through the throngs waiting for free drugs for tuberculosis, hepatitis, and such, at the municipal health authority.
Or I could ten years ago. Haven't tried since.
There are no documents with signatures - everything is transmitted electronically. The short form certified by the state is sufficient - a doctor’s signature is not required while the name of the hospital is irrelevant. If the state says that the short form is what it calls a birth certificate then it will be accepted in any court in America.
The more detailed information exists, just not on paper. It is in a database. Here is the CDC Standard Certificate of Live Birth worksheet - note the extensive section of administrative data. All the data is filled in - but unless a long form birth certificate is three pages long, most of it doesn’t get on a birth certificate.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/birth11-03final-acc.pdf
Obama’s COLB meets minimum Federal requirements for establishing citizenship. States may have additional data on their birth certificates but this is all the Federal government requires:
A person born in the United States generally must submit a birth certificate. The birth certificate must show the full name of the applicant, the applicant’s place and date of birth, the full name of the parent(s), and must be signed by the official custodian of birth records, bear the seal of the issuing office, and show a filing date within one year of the date of birth.
I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Any Federal Court in the land would accept his COLB.
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