Posted on 04/12/2011 11:27:59 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
See line 72-75 and scroll over to the box that asks about citizenship. Theodore Agnew, Spiro's father, indicates in the box that he is an "al" (for alien). Young Spiro is shown on line 75. We now have two precedents against the birthers. The other is Chester Arthur. Both had non-citizen fathers and NOBODY in either case cared at the time. The controversy over Arthur was solely related to his alleged foreign birth.
I think we are but a few weeks away from team obama crying themselves to sleep in the fetal position each night.....
Glad you aren’t guarding the Pearly Gates.....I’m just sayin.
Agnew’s father was a naturalized citizen. He became so before little Ted was born (not by much, but before). Therefore, Ted “Spiro” Agnew was a natural born citizen. Arthur’s father was also a naturalized citizen, albeit after Chester was born. It was an issue that people raised when he was running for VP, and it was ignored, as it is being ignored now.
Obama’s father was not an immigrant. He was here on a student visa. Visas are legitimate for a finite length of time. Obama Sr. never intended to become a citizen of the US. His intent was always to go back to Kenya and be part of the revolution there. Talk about split loyalties!
That is to say, IF Obama Sr. is the true (biological) father of Obama Jr.
Kirk , you are officially a “birther “ now.
you have accused Arthur of not being a Natural born citizen , but NO evidence was ever submitted to prove otherwise. Yes there were accusations made by opponents, but NO proof was ever presented.
As for Agnew, birth records(the legal ones)clearly show that Agnew was born two months after his father was naturalized. census records from 1920 are a joke.
There are a number of court cases that resolved the issue as well, not to mention the 14th and federal law all state how a person is automatically a citizen. What these pinheads want to do is state there are two levels of natural born citizens, one of which both parents must be citizens, yet, that is nowhere to be found. What they fail to realize is that there are only natural and naturalized citizens and nothing else. They want to redefine what “natural” means.
I believe Obama was not born here and that precludes him from even being a citizen.
“All this assumes that immigration law was the same as in 1961 when these men were born.
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The specific law is Title 8 Section 1401 and was in place in 1952.
Spiro Agnew was a natural born citizen. The Selective Service draft registration and the census records report that his father was a naturalized U.S. citizen before his birth.
Agnew's father was naturalized as a U.S Citizen before the birth of his son, so his son was a native born citizen and a natural born U.S. citizen eligible to the Office of the Vice President and the Office of the President in compliance with the U.S. Constitution.
Incorrect census data is also often erroneous because the person in the household interviewed by the census taker provided erroneous information by mistake and/or the census taker failed to hear and record the information correctly on the census form. We see it quite often when doing family history research. You have to use additional records to identify and isolate the errors when possible.
Agnew was by a Constitutional law a Natural Born citizen.
Yes, the date doesn't matter when Agnew's father was naturalized as long as it was before Spiro was born. His World War I Draft Registration Card, 1917-1918 is a higher standard since he put his John Hancock on it than a third party census worker who wrote on a form.
“Read the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952. Obama is NOT a natural-born citizen.”
I have, you obviously haven’t. It says clearly that Obama, if he was born in Hawii to the woman believed to be his mother, is a natural born citizen. Of course, prove he was born here. I don’t think he was.
Chester Arthur appears to have known that he was ineligible to the Office of the Vice President and the Office of the President, because he went to extraordinary efforts to destroy the kinds of personal papers later biographers could use to discover his Constitutional ineligibility.
Democrats seeking to prove his ineligibility failed in most part because they wrongly believed and claimed he was born in the United Kingdom or Canada, instead of his actual birthplace in Vermont.
His ineligibility was discovered only very recently because access to the necessary Federal records were prohibited to his earlier biographers by the 70 year laws. Without access to the census records and other records, investigators lacked the evidence needed to document his father's failure to become a naturalized U.S. citizen until after the birth of Chester Arthur.
(s)yes but the department of tinfoil hats issues a green card to every baby born in the usa and thus NOBODY is a citizen. (/s)
This so called debate has long passed the credibility gap by trying to establish a new set of rules.
I have, you obviously haven’t. It says clearly that Obama, if he was born in Hawaii to the woman believed to be his mother, is a natural born citizen. Of course, prove he was born here. I don’t think he was.
If Obama was born in Hawaii, he would be a natural born British citizen, due to his inheritance at birth of his father's British citizenship. He would also have the option of claiming native born U.S. citizenship.
If Obama was not born in Hawaii, he would be a natural born British citizen, due to his inheritance at birth of his father's British citizenship. He would not be a native born U.S. Citizen, and his mother was not old enough to confer her U.S. citizenship to her natural born British son.
Sir Winston Churchill also had a father with British citizenship and a mother with U.S. citizenship. It required a special act of Congress to grant Sir Winston Churchill "honorary" U.S. citizenship.
“If Obama was born in Hawaii, he would also have the option of claiming native born U.S. citizenship.”
If he was issued a US birth certificate, and he would have been regardles if his mother wanted one or not, there is no “option” and there is no “claiming”. He would be a NBC, period. “Natural” means no further action required, and a person born to a US citizen on US soil is a US NBC, no further action required.
Again, the issue being looked at by Trump and others is the issue that no one believes he was even born here and therefore doesn’t have a birth certificate.
Good point.
Woodrow Wilson was born in Virginia to an American-born father and an English-born mother, but owed allegiance to a country other than the US for 4 years while he was growing up.
Which gives a baseline but is not conclusive.Furthermore, the state of Hawaii has chosen to become a participant in this matter. And why not. They stand to lose a lot of face. Paradoxically, Obama may have been born in Hawaii and not be even a citizen. Like being circumcised but not ,Jewish.
It has been the custom to treat persons born in the United States as citizens, but sometimes I wonder if that a person born her has a claim—which they can exercise at age 18. A minor is, after all, not a free agent. Used to be 21. My guess is that Congress has both the power to naturalize anyone they please and also to deny citizenship anyone they please, at least as a general case.That the courts can make exception and a congressman can persuade congress to make an exception.
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