Everything he did will be not valid.
And the deaths in Libya, a war started by a president that was not legit in my opinion would be the Mother Of All War Crimes committed by a US “President”.
With any luck they can all be deleted.
I don't know what the criminal consequences would be for what he's doing (assuming that him not being eligible is true)
Is The Donald just fooling around w/the birth certificate on the ‘bam or is he serious??
He is not eligible. His father was a British citizen. What we have are corrupt judges. Nothing he has signed is valid if we had judges with integrity.
That’s what will keep the usurper in power:
The fact that ALL the laws would be called into question, and the Gummint could NOT handle that.
Yes, he is the president until he is removed or his term expires. It is wishful thinking that everything he signed is void. It won’t work that way.
We can be sure of one thing. Years will be spent fighting over whether they’re legitimate or not.
Look, I want him out. We need to follow the BC issue. But don't kid yourselves: this would be simply the most chaotic and in some ways destructive event since the Civil War. Like the Civil War, it may need to happen. But it absolutely will not be "fun," or painless, or clean in any way. Years' worth of legislation would have to be re-validated. Appointees would be illegitimate. Dems would fight EVERY SINGLE ONE of these like they are fighting in Wisconsin. Government shutdowns, including military, would be a way of life until the public came down on one side or the other.
People on our side who just think the public "would be outraged" would have another think coming. The Dems would desperately try to post-hoc legitimate it. Schwarzennegger would pop up, seeing his opportunity to run for pres, defending new efforts to let immigrants be pres. The can of worms this will open will be beyond imagination. Again, it needs to be done, but our side better be prepared because this genie will not go back in the bottle easily.
Yes.
Next.
I’ve raised this question on FR several times and received no answer.
Even if it is ruled that any law, treaty, etc. he has signed is valid, at the very least Nancy Pelosi and the Democrat hierarchy should be put on trial for fraud.
After all they sought him out, vetted his credentials and certified him as being eligible.
If he in fact was not eligible they knew.
The powers-that-be in both parties must quell the birth certificate issue.
If it were found that he did not have a valid certificate, after 2 years plus in office, it would create a massive Constitutional crisis that could cause political/governmental damage for years. It would impact all 3 branches of government.
Would laws and appointments be reversed? Would they be allowed to stand? Who/which office/personnel are responsible for allowing a non-citizen to ever run for the presidency? What type(s) of crimes/offenses would the perpetrator be charged with? What, if any, fines would be levied and what would the perp be required to repay? etc. Also, the civil lawsuits would be endless.
On Fox & Friends this morning, Huckabee, commenting on Trump and the birther issue, said he didn’t care whether BO was born in the USA or not. He doesn’t value the Constitution, apparently, which eliminates him for consideration as a presidential candidate. If we don’t intend to follow the Constitution, we can vote for the Democrat.
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Although ancillary to the topic of valid signature I came across this interesting piece this morning relating to the “fake” we have as a Prez. It raises more questions than answers, but is food for thought:
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2011/04/09/trump-is-right-obama-is-hiding-something-big/
Trump is Right, Obama is Hiding Something
Story originating from an anonymous email below. I have no idea how much of it is accurate but I know some is. I am putting it up as a possible motivator for anybody with time to investigate the matter
Incidentally, the 1950s picture here of Obama’s mother should remind us that his mother was no normal modest Midwestern girl of the times so his genetics are not the best either from his mother’s or his philandering father’s side. Snopes has done an unusually poor job (even for it) of saying the photo of Mrs Soetoro is in fact of someone else but have a look at the lady they think is in the photo. Most unconvincing. Genetics are a powerful determinant of behavior so, although scandalous, the suggestion about Obama’s sexuality below is not implausible
As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.
Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry’s name was legally changed to “Barry Soetoro”. (Barry’s own admission) Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen. (again Barry’s own admission) The adoption would be noted in Barry’s vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate…
OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry’s legal birth farther. The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry’s father really was and Barry himself may not know.
Barry was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia and attended a Catholic funded school that permitted all faiths to attend.
Barry’s mother dropped him as a dependant for some reason, maybe even when Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. His mother’s passport records dropped Barry as a dependent indicating Barry was no longer a legal dependent of his mothers. (The passport records of his mother have been produced showing Barry was no longer a dependent when Barry was permanently residing in Indonesia.) Barry went to Hawaii to live with his alleged grand parents after Lolo Soetoro and Barry’s mother divorced.
A “certificate of live birth” can have names changed on it including a child’s birth name, and birth parent’s names. Even a modified date of birth can be on a “certificate of live birth”. This occurs frequently for adopted children where the birth parent does not want the child to know who they are. The public has no idea who Barry’s real birth father is or who Barry’s real birth mother is. (Barry could have been adopted by his mother) The original birth certificate is the only legal vital statistics record of a person’s birth parents, birth location, birth date, etc… I can get a “certificate of live birth” for a dead person; I cannot get a birth certificate of a dead person without “Deceased” on it. (I’ve tried)
There is no evidence Barry Soetoro ever lawfully changed his name to “Barrack Hussein Obama”. There is no proof Barry Soetoro was born with the name “Barrack Hussein Obama”. I’m willing to bet the name “Barrack Hussein Obama” is not present on the real birth certificate as Barry’s birth name or as Barry’s birth father. I have pictures of me with my mother and Jimmy Buffet… that doesn’t make him my father even if I start using the name Jimmy Buffet.
The public knows Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro where he did drugs and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental, Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs. (Barry’s own admission) Barry then hooked up with a Pakistani to live with and traveled back to Indonesia on his new boyfriend’s dime to renew his Indonesian passport and traveled to Pakistan with him.
Ask any law enforcement officer in a large city or detective and they will tell you homeless young men on drugs in large cities usually end up as male prostitutes. Barry ended up as a world traveler with a degree… (Not likely)
Barry Soetoro returned to New York from Pakistan and began using the fictitious name “Obama” for some reason. (again Barry Soetoro’s own admission) One could only suspect that a person addicted to drugs returning from Pakistan to New York, the main route for Afghan heroin into the U.S., maybe Barry had a reason to start using a new name. There are literally over 1 million open warrants on file in New York… maybe Barry is one of them?….
After spending some time in New York allegedly working under the name “Obama”, It appears Barry used the fictitious name “Barrack Hussein Obama” for the first time to file his federal taxes in Connecticut at a Post Office Box for the purpose of evading paying taxes in New York and /or to establish a new identity. (This is a felony with no statute of limitation.)
When the IRS received Barry Soetoro’s federal tax filing, the IRS could not attach the name Barrack Hussein Obama to the SSI number provided or the address provided. So the IRS assigned the fictitious name “Barrack Hussein Obama” a tax ID number for a person from Connecticut (Where Barry unlawfully filed a federal tax form using a false name). Barry Soetoro began using the tax ID number as his SSI number when using the fictitious name Barrack Obama. This is why Barry Soetoro has a Connecticut SSI number. When I worked for the IRS, I saw this occur more than once and yes, it is a felony to knowingly file a fraudulent federal tax forms. Most of the politicians that cheat on their taxes claim it was an accident. That is how they get away with their tax cheat crimes. Using a fake name is no accident.
It appears Barry fled New York to Chicago using his new identity to get a job . He likely ordered a fake diploma to bolster his new identity as “Obama”. Fake Diploma’s were very big in the 80’s and diploma mills were even being used by federal workers to get promotions. There is evidence his alleged attendance at Columbia was faked (Barry never attended Columbia) and Barry lied his way into Harvard (he had no transcripts to get in)… Including telling the Saudi royal family he was fighting in Afghanistan with the Muslim Jihad against the Russians, so they would help him get into a law school.
The Saudi’s apparently loved Barry’s story of Jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan and paid for Barry to attend Harvard under the name “Obama”. The Saudi family has admitted to paying for Obama to attend Harvard and gave Harvard a gift of $20 million dollars. Harvard in turn made their special attendy President of the law review a person that never wrote a single law review…. I guess that is what $20 million buys at Harvard.
It is unlikely Barry was a Jihadist and was most likely a drug mule if anything, maybe even a CIA street hire to haul Afghan heroin back to New York, so the Afghans could buy U.S. made stinger missiles with U.S. dollars to shoot down Russian helicopters?… I hired people over seas to do work below my pay grade all the time, even foreign nationals… I think this is the story Barry told the Saudi’s, but he was most likely really just a drug mule/dealer and probably still wanted on an outstanding warrant in New York.
Barry’s selective service registration is not normal either.
After I looked at Barry’s selective service filing I noticed it was most likely fraudulent too based on the name he used. Barry did not start using the name “Obama” until he returned from Pakistan (long after he flunked out of school in California) His selective service record (maintained in Chicago coincidentally) shows he registered at a Hawaiian post office as “Obama” in Sept 1980… Problem, Barry was getting high in California at Occidental in Sept 1980 (Barry’s own admission) and was not using the fictitious name “Obama” at that time. Barry began using the fictitious name “Obama” only after he returned from Pakistan. The selective service filing is fraudulent.
Barry returned to Chicago and attend a semi-christian radical black church with his first female love Michelle. Barry admits keeping in touch with Phil Boener, who traveled to New York from Occidental to be with Barry and was most likely Barry’s first love.
Barry still could not get a real job, because he was still a fraud, even with his Harvard degree in hand he could lie and take the Bar exam, but he could not work as a lawyer for a major law firm without a back ground investigation and he would never pass one. So, Michelle got Barry a job at her law firm. Barry never filed a case alone and never filed a motion. He wrote lost of memos according to the law firm where Barry worked. (I think they know Barry is a fraud and don’t want to be sued by previous clients) Barry rescinded his law licenses, so as not to be disbarred for fraud. The Bar knows Barry lied on his application. Michelle also had to turn over her law license for her involvement in corruption with the Chicago mayors office.
Its called a Constitutional crisis. That is where we will be If Trump comes up with proof Barry was born in a mud hut in Kenya or some other eligibility problem. It will be a mess trying to sort it all out but likely all of his executive orders will be null and void, treaties and probably legislation he’s signed.
“Sorry if a stupid question. “
It is a stupid question that will spawn many stupid answers.
Obama is the President and has been since he was sworn in. His signature and powers are real.
He will remain President until impeached or defeated in the next election.
If you hae any evidence AT ALL that he’s not valid President, hold impeachment hearings, that’s the only way.
The Congress - the abettors in treason - would do nothing to void Obama’s laws. The GOP put him in the White House.
However, I imagine States or citizens could get a judge to look at voiding an Obama law. But I think the courts would more likely continue to claim that no American has any standing to force the government to operate under the constitution - the rule of law. It is handy for power mongers that Americans no longer have any standing against corruption in America’s Federal government.
Maybe that is being too harsh on our treasonous courts. I should have said no American who is not affiliated with a communist legal activist group has standing to address Federal corruption in the courts.