Posted on 04/04/2011 2:01:03 PM PDT by RobinMasters
WHAT WILL HE SAY NOW?
Last week in an on-air debate with Donald Trump, Bill O’Reilly based his entire case for Obama’s supposed Hawaii birth on newspaper birth announcements.
With new information emerging now, O’Reilly may be interested to learn that the announcement images that were posted online cannot be from the microfilms we were told they were from. This article documents that the stories we were told were a well-orchestrated lie, which raises serious questions about the microfilms O’Reilly says he has found, since those lies back in 2008 would not have been necessary if the microfilms O’Reilly relies on today had actually been in the libraries in 2008.
Who orchestrated those lies in July of 2008, and why? O’Reilly might want to send his investigators out to find the answers to those questions, since it is his credibility – not Trump’s – which is on the line now.
Sorry to make you click an extra time, but the only way I know to post the images effectively is in a PDF :
Attention Bill O’Reilly – The Rest of the Story
(Excerpt) Read more at thepostemail.com ...
Uterine cancer that spread to her liver, her husband says. Wait a minute. Her husband says she died on Tuesday, March 16th. The post I linked to before had her dying on Sunday, and was posted somewhere around Tuesday so I presumed the death date was Sunday the 13th.
Here’s where her husband announced that she had died. Several posters say that nobody knew she was ill, but somebody said her husband said she was diagnosed in September.
http://www.correntewire.com/lorenda_starfelt_1955_2011#comments
I don’t know what more could be done to show that the stories we were told were false.
One media person suggested that maybe the online posters were just confused about where they got the images from. But with Starfelt and Infidel Granny having such synchronized stories involving the HSL librarian having the image handy for IG because Starfelt had asked to see it a week earlier... that just seems impossible that both women AND the librarian would be “confused” - particularly since IG said she had asked the Advertiser office and had been told to contact the HSL.
And no matter how you slice it, that HSL librarian sent to Starfelt and IG an image that could not have come from the HSL microfilms. I have seen the e-mail that Starfelt got from the HSL librarian. I know the librarian’s name. Where did she get that Advertiser image from, since it wasn’t from the library’s microfilm? It is identical to the image that Rivero at WRH got from somebody at the Advertiser office. Now why would an image that originated in the Advertiser office get to the librarian at the Hawaii State Library?
The procedure that was used by that librarian was peculiar too - as Fred Nerks and Greenperson have both noted. It was an image in an e-mail.
My colleagues have worked with librarians, including the HSL librarian. When somebody wants a copy they pay for that copy to be made and sent to them. When the HSL makes a copy they have a copyright statement that they put on the copy to cover their legal behinds. Ladysforest, did you post any copies of the first copies we got from the HSL? Sure, you did - when you first posted that you had found the Nordyke announcement. Does that show the copyright notice they put on the page when they make copies for somebody? All that was missing on Starfelt and IG’s copies. And they were sent via e-mail.
So anyway, I don’t know what else could be done to prove that what I’ve documented is true. I’ve shown the claims made and proven that the images come from the sites where the images were posted. I’ve shown the e-mail from Rivero. I don’t know what else could be added.
Yup-she croaks on the 16th, Trump speaks up on the 17th.
The Nordyke that I got didn’t have the copyright notice.
Ping
I’m just a little confused...how do we KNOW this is the same ‘Lori Starfelt’ who contributed the following comment, and not someone simply using the name?:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-likely-born-in-hawaii/#comment-12206
“...the clipping comes from the archives at the State Library in Honolulu. It’s on microfiche, and anyone who lives in Hawaii could go there and pull it themselves. Interestingly, I was the first person to request that search...
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-likely-born-in-hawaii/#comment-12216
“...What you know is that Texas Darlin’ has received an email forwarded from the Hawaii State Library that is a a clipping from the Honolulu Advertiser’s Sunday August 13th, 1961 edition that proves the Department of Vital Records provided a list of births for the previous week that included Barack Obama – that’s what you know.
You’re not taking my word for it. You’re taking TD’s word for it. I have given her the name and number of the librarian I spoke with and she has the forwarded email. You, yourself, are free to call either Vital Records or the Honolulu Advertiser and ask questions about how birth certificates and birth announcements were handled in 1961...”
Here’s a comment on Atlas Shrugs from Infidel Granny, reminding Pamela just where the birth announcement came from. It was a scan, e-mailed to her.
“Pamela,
Infidel Granny here. I am the woman who sent you the birth announcement from the Honolulu Advertiser in July 2008. You gave me a hat tip on July 23, 2008.
I sure hope you don’t think I had anything to do with a forgery.
The woman I spoke to at the Advertiser suggested I contact the Hawaii State Librbary for the info. That’s where I got it from just as it states in the blog on July 23. The librarian stated another woman had asked for the same thing about one week before I did.
You might still have my email and phone number. Feel free to contact me if you like.”
I’m putting this up here now because the link to Texasdarlin where Lori Starfelt explains how she came about her material (from the same source, by e-mail) has been removed.
Wow. Check this out. This is from the first site I linked to:
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OperaWorks
For 2006 Alumni: Lorenda (Lori) Starfelt passed away on Sunday. She and Brad Mays were the soul behind the OperaWorks documentary SING*ularity filmed during your summer.
March 16 at 5:16pm · Like · Comment
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That was posted on March 16 at 5:16pm.
Now look at what her husband posted on the other site I linked to:
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Sat, 03/19/2011 - 4:38pm — basement angel
My name is Brad Mays and I’m the husband of Lorenda Starfelt, AKA Basement Angel. I just wanted to let Lorenda’s friends know that my beautiful wife passed away on Tuesday, March 16, 2011 at roughly 8:00 PM. Her death was the result of uterine cancer, which ultimately spread to her liver. She and I were in pre-production on a new feature film, “Beginning Blue,” for which Lori wrote the story. We will continue work on the film without her physical participation, while honoring all of her intentions. A memorial service will be held for Lorenda sometime in mid-April.
_____________________________
I wonder what time zones these times were in. Strange!
ping to read the links later.
Both the Lori Starfelt that TD referenced and the Lori Starfelt who is said to have died were film-makers and Hillary supporters, so they seem to be the same person.
Then again, as many bizarre twists as there are, I’m not even sure of my own name. lol
And that's the LIE right there, IMO. There were over 16,500 births in Hawaii in 1961. NOTHING will convince me that the Hawaii newspapers PRINTED ALL OF THEM!
Case in point, the Nordyke twins were born on the 5th, their announcement did not appear until the 16th!
Ah, I’m looking at the copies now. The enlargements that you posted just missed where the copyright stamp was placed on the full-page copies. Each of the full-page copies from the librarian has a stamp of the copyright notice on it.
yay, buddah!
“Published!”
Also, the Nordyke announcement only appeared in the Advertiser, not the Star-Bulletin.
And copies of the Nordyke announcement taken on different dates (6 months apart) show that marks disappeared over time, even though the later copy that lacked the marks was a darker copy. The mark doesn’t show up on other copies taken the same day so it was not a mark from the reader or copier. That suggests that the microfilm having the Nordyke announcement (Aug 16-31) was tampered with also.
There’s a ton of analysis that could be done on the copies themselves. Most people wouldn’t have the patience to dig through it all unless they already realized there was a credibility problem with the announcements.
“...What you know is that Texas Darlin’ has received an email forwarded from the Hawaii State Library that is a a clipping from the Honolulu Advertiser’s Sunday August 13th, 1961 edition that proves the Department of Vital Records provided a list of births for the previous week that included Barack Obama – that’s what you know.
And THAT is the ONE important point that gave rise to the MYTH that announcements were placed as the result of a LIST from Vital Stats...which is VITAL to no one but the OBAMA CAMP.
That is what makes me question the identity of 'Lori Starfelt' - as a 'Hillary supporter'
Because the ONE thing that made the announcements appear legit, is that it was IMPOSSIBLE for anyone - even a member of the family...TO PLACE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
But the Nordyke announcement shows the lie for what it is, it took the busy doctor 11 days to lodge the announcement! (Or Eleanor did it herself after leaving the hospital!)
25 years ago media ownership was spread among approx. 50 companies. Today, a mere six corporations collectively control U.S. media: Time Warner, Walt Disney, Viacom, Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp., CBS Corporation and NBC Universal. Together, the “big six” absolutely dominate news and entertainment in the United States.
I wish I could get his attention. I’ve been praying for that. I guess we’ll see what happens.
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