Posted on 03/26/2011 9:45:40 AM PDT by KeyLargo
Ominous Signals on Libya: A Response to Andrew Sullivan
Posted By David Horowitz On March 26, 2011 @ 12:04 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage
Andrew Sullivan takes exception to my observations that we are on a fool’s errand in Libya and a dangerous one. The other day I took issue with neo-conservatives who had learned nothing from failed attempts to create Western-style democracies in Muslim cultures. I had pointed to recent experiences in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Gaza (let alone Turkey) and warned that our military invasion of Libya could lead to the creation of an al-Qaeda aligned totalitarian state. Here is how the Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan characterized these thoughts:
“It looks as if David Horowitz has left the neocons and become an anti-Islam nationalist; …. he looks at the eruption in the Middle East and wants the dictators back.”
Nice spin Andrew.
First, I am not against people whose religion is Islam. I’m just a pragmatic realist who notes that in fifteen hundred years Islamic cultures have a very poor track record in creating democracies and that the emerging Islamic movements in the Arab Middle East are without exception totalitarian, jihadist and also Jew-hating, women-hating and gay-hating.
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Soros and his puppetmaster’s involvement in this is regularly overlooked. It is of utmost importance to point a finger in that direction every time they got involved.
a must read - soros connection clearly explained
I hope the Freshman in Congress set up a committee to investigate Soros. He is involved in our finances, media, government, and is now making foreign policy decisions.
Thanks for the ping, DTA. A worthwhile read from last year
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html
Islamics and communists unite to chop off Adam Smith;s invisible hand.
“neocon” is Lib speak for Jew.
That's for sure. It's becoming more and more obvious the Marxists and Islamists have been working together, probably for years, to attain an amalgamation of Theocratic Communism - how that would all shake out is anyone's guess. The old enemy of my enemy thing. . .
Agreed but have you ever met a Copt? Tough as nails.
Actually, the word "neocon" has been around for a few decades. The term "liberal elite" is probably more Jewish-oriented, since 80% of Jews vote Democratic, and Jews tend to dominate the elite ranks of liberalism.
We failed to demand tribute. A leviathian who moves without demanding tribute will soon find their own revolt...
and Jews tend to dominate the elite ranks of liberalism.
Far from it.
Jews do not “dominate” any political center or group in the US.
They are a small part of it, even if the greater majority of them had been Eastern European Socialists who fled to here between WWI & WWII.
No tribute needed in Germany, where about 50% of the fighting age males (18-35) had been killed in battle or Japan, where about 20% of the fighting age males had died for the Emperor.
That's all I needed to know.
>This was how we imposed lasting change in Germany and Japan.
Right track but you arent going far enough.
Yes we defeated them but not only them, we utterly defeated every nation allied to them, insofar as was plausable, anywhere in the entire world.
You are speaking of a WORLD War, one that wiped out 100s of millions of people across the entire globe.
Iraq & Afghan may revert, not just because we leave, for the problem does not reside in the prior governments of those nations, but because Islam itself has not been crushed, and Islam itself, a pre medieval religion that has never been through its own centuries long Reformation is the real problem across the globe today.
To achieve what I believe your points to be, we would have to decimate the muslim populations of most of Asia, all of the Middle East and the South Asian archipelago, including but not limited to, Indonesia and Malaysia, demolish their holy cities and sites and, in essence, either kill all that want to perpetrate this cult, or render that particular intent impotent.
Despite the current threat(s), we have never even declared a war, let alone mustered World Wide support for a total war such as this.
To the contrary, we coddle them, invite them into our country, and support them as in Hamas in Gaza, the muslim terrorists in Kosovo, and now the new Mid East rebellions.
thank you for your post.
You got my point. Thanks for not flaming me because of the way I wrote it...
That "poor track record," is it just a coincidence or something? Because if it isn't -- if it's related to the fundamental beliefs of Islam -- you might want to think about being against those people after all. Without them, the religion is meaningless. It has meaning, and evil meaning, and evil when practiced (poor track record) because those "people whose religion is Islam" practice it. If they are not blameworthy, who or what is?
Actually, not Horowitz's position but isn't there evidence that a dictator is more or less needed in Muslim states to keep order, especially given a 'tribe' culture? We do have an experiment going on in Iraq but time will tell if that works and although it may, history says no. And, at what cost to us (blood and treasure)?
It seems like Muslims within a tribal culture are somewhat uncivilized and we need to be somewhat uncivilized to deal with them directly or not deal with them at all.
The world has been dealing with the Muslim problem for thousands of years with no progress to date.
Don’t look at the past through rose-colored glasses. The American electorate has been idiotic since 1800 with very few exceptions. It’s actions are the best argument against democracy I have ever run across.
Easily manipulated from the beginning, ignorant about almost everything and incapable of putting two and two together. The very existence of the Democrat Party is clear evidence that we are surrounded by fools.
Bingo.
And for what it is worth Leo Strauss’s thought has little to do with what is called “neo-con” today.
That about sums up our predicament.
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