Posted on 03/12/2011 3:40:55 PM PST by mandaladon
Well put.
April 25, 2000 21:15:47 EDT -- The Hapgood, Hancock, and Flem-Ath ideas about the various medieval maps of Antarctica are gently and cogently refuted by Robert Schoch in his Voices of the Rocks (p 105-106 in particular, but the entire discussion begins a few pages earlier and is well worth reading).
July 31, 2000 17:40:48 EDT -- Regarding Hapgood -- I don't accept his interpretation of the old maps. Clearly those are based on copies of ancient originals, but often do not show what he claimed. The coastlines of all the continents were different before and during the most recent global glaciation. Maps made by purported, very ancient mapmaking civilizations would not show conditions remarkably similar to those of today. Robert Schoch's explanation of the apparent ice-free Antarctica in those maps makes more sense to me despite my catastrophist orientation.
August 17, 2000 20:19:11 EDT -- One reason gradual change doesn't explain glaciation is the lack of intermediate shorelines. The low point of the sealevel is attested by the "fossil" shoreline, but no intervening higher level is found in now submerged areas. This indicates that sealevel fell too quickly -- and rose again too quickly -- to leave traces of the intermediate locations. This alone dispenses with Hapgood's 2,000 years or so of crustal displacement, but the Flem-Aths have discarded that detail in favor of a very rapid crustal displacement. The Flem-Aths are stuck, however, because of the hemispheric discrepancy which can't be explained by pole shift. Antarctica is isolated by water, but the southern hemisphere is also cooler today due to the presence of the Antarctic icecap (at least that's the conventional reason -- Milankovitch would disagree).
New Ice-Core Evidence Challenges the 1620s age for the Santorini (Minoan) Eruption
Journal of Archaeological Science, Volume 25, Issue 3, March 1998, Pages 279-289 | 13 July 1997 | Gregory A. Zielinski, Mark S. Germani
Posted on 07/29/2004 12:25:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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The flooding of the Black Sea area some 7000 years ago would have made for better legend creation, being a gradual rise that allowed or forced an orderly migration, than a catastrophic disaster such as was described by Plato.
Atlantis fell too quickly to have been anything gradual, and disappeared too utterly to have been easily located.
I’m still very intrigued by what may be yet discovered in the ancient shoreline of the Black Sea, which may be an anoxic icebox for preservation.
Similar discoveries may yet tell us fascinating aspects of time spent in other lost lands such as Beringia and Doggerland.
But nothing will be more rewarding than tangible aspects of that fabled lost Atlantis!
A man with ragged beard and long robe, carrying a sign ... six thousand years ago!
"The World is going to ... Begin!"
And yet, the only remotely compelling legend about the Black Sea flood they could come up with is from Diodorus’ preservation of a possible account of the glacial meltdown. The Aegean islanders who were the source of this tale were not in the right place, so Ryan and Pitman try to explain them as a transplant — descendants of a group that lost their homes in the flooded area, crossed over the hundred+ miles to an Aegean Island, then transferred their tale of loss and survival to their new surroundings during subsequent generations. Diodorus even states that submerged remains of their lost town could still be seen. IOW, this is probably completely unrelated to the Black Sea flood — the tale may be the result of some submerged ruins from one of the all-too-common quakes during classical times, and during Mycenaean times.
Experts Face Off on ‘Noah’s Flood’
by John Noble Wilford
January 9, 2001
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/09/science/09FLOO.html?pagewanted=all
... “The large claim connecting the Black Sea flood and Noah’s flood can no longer be sustained,” Dr. Andrew M. T. Moore, an archaeologist and dean of liberal arts at the Rochester Institute of Technology, said in an interview afterward.
Dr. Stephanie Dalley, a historian at Oxford University in England and a specialist on Babylonian mythology, said that the “supposed similarities” between the Black Sea event and the flood story of Gilgamesh “are random and wrong.” ...
I’m going to steal that one! :’)
I don’t see it as particularly a problem that the flooding of the Black Sea, and remaining legendary tales may disagree in some particulars. That is the nature of legends.
My point was that a slow-acting cataclysm was more likely to engender fables than an event that occurs in a single day.
With the Black Sea flooding, which has left geological evidence, villagers and fishermen in the area would have had time to salvage their possessions and relocate as best they could. I wrote of this in the poem on my about page.
What I find exciting is the newly revealed and yet to be revealed information about these formerly hidden lands. Our history keeps getting pushed back further and further.
To me, that’s a good thing. We are, as a species, like an amnesiac awakening in a strange city, knowing nothing of his previous life and former relations with others.
Following through on these discoveries is like restoring memories, and making us feel more a part of a wondrous continuum of growth and benevolent opportunities.
She looks Eurasian. However, the Welsh and Irish can be heavy lidded. Early celtic?
Hot Dang so that is why the shot the nose off that thing LMAO!
Thanks Civ for the Ping!
Research on Atlantis always fascinating.
Plato, writing over 2000 years ago, was writing about events long before his time, possibly thousands of years before. The legend of Atlantis was passed down through oral tradition.
Some day , hopefully ASAP, the true Atlantis will be found. Edgar Cayce wrote extensively about Atlantis, and predicted it would be found.
Read Edgar Cayce, “The Sleeping Prophet”
bflr
The Thera explosion caused the Plagues in Egypt (I’m pretty sure there was a PBS special on that, too.)
Well, not at the time.
Thera/Thira (Santorini) ... most fascinating of places to research and visit in the Greek Isles, IMHO.
;’)
It makes for interesting reading, and I lend it little credence, and even less clearwater. But it’s interesting that Cayce (who clearly consciously or unconsciously borrowed from Madame Blavatsky’s scam) stated that there were connecting chambers in the Sphinx’ right paw (which is the left paw when viewed from the front, but is indeed the right paw), and sonic studies have shown that to be the case. Or casey. Anyway, this obviously doesn’t mean a darned thing until the Gyppoes actually open it up and have a look, but Thutmose’ Dream Stele sez, right out, that the Sphinx stands on top of a door, suggesting that the pharaoh’s broom crews found an opening.
It will be interesting to see if the ‘ring people’ have artifacts similar to the Minoans, or if their ‘city’ is more like Stonehenge. I believe that the Phoenicians were the same people as the Minoans, and that the ‘Palace of Minos’ was a religious site rather than an administrative center. Of course, a city can be both, as seen in Mesopotamian and Indian cities.
However, the concentric organization of cities for religious purposes (albeit concentric squares) is well-documented in India, and its presence in Phoenician sites would provide a physical model for Atlantis. Since we have no extant Phoenician sites (beyond Minos), this could be very good for Phoenician studies - unless it’s totally unrelated and good for Stonehenge studies, instead!
Civ, I’m not so quick to dismiss Edgar Cayce as a scam. From everything that is known, and it has been heavily researched & documented, he was a decent and honest Christian gentleman, who never made money from his work. IMO he was a truly gifted psychic. His medical diagnoses and remedies are well documented, and still used today.
Have you read the books?
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