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Federal Judge Roger Vinson reacts to DOJ request for "clarification" of his ObamaCare ruling
http://21statelawsuit.com/2011/02/update-vinson-reacts-to-clarification-request/ ^

Posted on 02/23/2011 4:36:13 PM PST by dont_tread_on_malik

This tussle in Florida over the “clarity” of Judge Roger Vinson’s ruling that ObamaCare is unconstitutional is further unfolding. From the tone of Vinson’s comments on the matter, the DOJ’s push for the ruling to be clarified is not sitting too well with him:

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: democrats; doj; dojisajoke; florida; judgevinson; obama; obamacare; socialisthealthcare
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1 posted on 02/23/2011 4:36:18 PM PST by dont_tread_on_malik
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To: dont_tread_on_malik

What is it about its “unconstitutional” the Justice Department doesn’t understand?


2 posted on 02/23/2011 4:37:56 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dont_tread_on_malik

I hope he finds them in Contempt; as he CLEARLY told them the Ruling was in essence an Injunction, and they thumber their noses at him and are continuing to implement Obamacare. The hiring of more than 15,000 more IRS people in the Budget, to handle the Obamacare ramifications, CLEARLY shows they could care less about what the Judge told them. Likewise, when Holder/Obama decided that DOMA is Un-Constituitonal, they are FLAGRANTLY and BLATANTLY telling the Courts that The Messiah will decide what Constituional means.


3 posted on 02/23/2011 4:39:48 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: goldstategop
What is it about its “unconstitutional” the Justice Department doesn’t understand?

This:

unconstitutional

4 posted on 02/23/2011 4:40:35 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: traditional1
thumber=thumbed

Indian name="Types with Fists"

5 posted on 02/23/2011 4:40:46 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: dont_tread_on_malik

So they can understand the health crimes bill but not Judge Vinson’s entirely logical & legally correct ruling?

Basically, the law does not nor did it ever legally exist. It may exist in fact, but not legally.

Thus, it’s unenforceable.

It’s like going to Vegas, getting bombed & waking up married to a stranger. You go to court, plead you were not of sound mind, judge rules the marriage annuled.

It never legally happened.

You don’t then have to go out & get a divorce. There is no marriage to disolve.

Very much the same type of legal effect here. As a matter of law, the health crimes act does not exist.

Pretty simple.


6 posted on 02/23/2011 4:41:37 PM PST by jazminerose (o)
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To: dont_tread_on_malik

The communists party is in control of America. Civil War on the way.


7 posted on 02/23/2011 4:41:37 PM PST by Logical me
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To: dont_tread_on_malik

His first decision was clear as air.

Their delay tactics are going to start to bug the judge.

One wonders what an irritated Federal judge might say and do in response to incompetent counsel.


8 posted on 02/23/2011 4:45:15 PM PST by lurk
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To: jazminerose

It’s like going to Vegas, getting bombed & waking up married to a stranger. You go to court, plead you were not of sound mind, judge rules the marriage annuled.

It never legally happened.

You don’t then have to go out & get a divorce. There is no marriage to disolve.

Then the problem comes down to child support...

Somebody gots to pay.


9 posted on 02/23/2011 4:45:52 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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just another ruling/law for his highness to ignore.. laws and rules are for the little people.. Moochelle says “Let them eat short ribs”..


10 posted on 02/23/2011 4:47:25 PM PST by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: dont_tread_on_malik

Good for Judge Vinson, he’s a man of few words when he knows he’s being stroked, a three day extension is too much though:)


11 posted on 02/23/2011 4:48:41 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: lurk

Put out an arrest warrant on Holder and Obama


12 posted on 02/23/2011 4:53:03 PM PST by aces
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To: Logical me
The communists party is in control of America. Civil War on the way.

Let's get it on. It will sooner or later come down to this. Every day these commies get a bigger stronghold. The time is NOW.

13 posted on 02/23/2011 4:53:54 PM PST by Digger ((If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election))
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To: dont_tread_on_malik

So now we officially have two words whose meanings are not understood in Washington DC: “is” and “unconstitutional.”


14 posted on 02/23/2011 4:54:39 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (An election is not a (national) suicide pact.)
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To: dont_tread_on_malik

We these kids you have to use small words and speak street talk.


15 posted on 02/23/2011 4:58:14 PM PST by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: jazminerose
It’s like going to Vegas, getting bombed & waking up married to a stranger.

Laz would hit it. Not a problem.

16 posted on 02/23/2011 4:58:40 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (You CAN get blood from a stone, if you throw it hard enough.)
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To: Logical me
The communists party is in control of America. Civil War on the way.

Let's get it on. It will sooner or later come down to this. Every day these commies get a bigger stronghold. The time is NOW.

17 posted on 02/23/2011 4:58:40 PM PST by Digger ((If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election))
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To: dont_tread_on_malik

Later


18 posted on 02/23/2011 5:00:34 PM PST by I_be_tc
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To: dont_tread_on_malik

Hurrah Judge Vinson! Courage you have and will need, as the regime comes at your ruling legally and I’d assume illegally; eg., harassment, IRS and threats... I pray for no Arkansaside.

Everyone should be aware that key people opposing the socialization of USA are going to be pressured, including life threatening measures. There are many score hundred billion dollars of foreign money, transferred out of USA, coming back to fund these many faceted efforts. IMHO...


19 posted on 02/23/2011 5:05:05 PM PST by veracious
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To: traditional1
"I hope he finds them in Contempt; as he CLEARLY told them the Ruling was in essence an Injunction, and they thumber their noses at him and are continuing to implement Obamacare."

The Obama regime already said:

"The White House officials said that the ruling would not have an impact on implementation of the law, which is being phased in gradually. (The individual mandate, for example, does not begin until 2014.) They said that states cannot use the ruling as a basis to delay implementation in part because the ruling does not rest on "anything like a conventional Constitutional analysis." Twenty-six states were involved in the lawsuit.


The Marxist Muslim Kenyan is giving a big middle finger to Judge Vinson. Filing a motion to clarify 2 and half weeks later after already stating publicly they are not going to follow his ruling. A pattern is emerging with the Obama admin and his contempt for the law.[see contempt with another judge over drilling ban]. Hopefully Judge Vinson doesn't fark around and finds them in criminal contempt.

Judge Vinson's injunction:

(5) Injunction

The last issue to be resolved is the plaintiffs’ request for injunctive relief enjoining implementation of the Act, which can be disposed of very quickly. Injunctive relief is an “extraordinary” [Weinberger v. Romero-Barcelo, 456 U.S. 305, 312, 102 S. Ct. 1798, 72 L. Ed. 2d 91 (1982)], and “drastic” remedy [Aaron v. S.E.C., 446 U.S. 680, 703, 100 S. Ct. 1945, 64 L. Ed. 2d 611 (1980) (Burger, J., concurring)]. It is even more so when the party to be enjoined is the federal government, for there is a long-standing presumption “that officials of the Executive Branch will adhere to the law as declared by the court. As a result,the declaratory judgment is the functional equivalent of an injunction.” See Comm. on Judiciary of U.S. House of Representatives v. Miers, 542 F.3d 909, 911 (D.C. Cir. 2008); accord Sanchez-Espinoza v. Reagan, 770 F.2d 202, 208 n.8 (D.C. Cir. 1985) (“declaratory judgment is, in a context such as this where federal officers are defendants, the practical equivalent of specific relief such as an injunction . . . since it must be presumed that federal officers will adhere to the law as declared by the court" (Scalia, J.)

20 posted on 02/23/2011 5:21:39 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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