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To: greyfoxx39
Okay, then you’d like to go on the record stating that the American public shouldn’t know about Soros, Ayers, Dorn, et al, if Beck is the guy telling them.

Don't put words into my mouth. I don't give a rat's patootie which messenger you or the American public listens to and I have no influence on that.

Look, I have to extrapolate what your full thoughts are based on what you state.  I realize you bolded the "I" in this commentary, but it appeared to me you were making much more of a statement than you were intending to.  Here are the comments I'm referring to:

I feel very uncomfortable right now, but I reserve the right to my opinion that someone who has Beck's disabilities is not the messenger that I want to listen to.  Until someone else comes along, I personally will continue to find the message in my own way. What I find mind-boggling is that quite often on these Beck threads you will see posts of the same mind-set as the Obama worshippers. Now THAT makes me damned uncomfortable and it's why I rarely visit the threads.  LINK

Do you believe I am being unreasonable when I observe that you are taking the time to tell me what your policy is, then compare folks here to Obama followers if they disagree, and I then come to a conclusion based on this?

You don't believe Beck should be the messenger.  That much is obvious.  I don't think I'm out of line by stating that you don't think he should be on the air.  No, you didn't come out and say it, but you won't even watch the show.  That tells me something.  And if I come here to state that he can be a force for good, you think I'm as blind as an Obama follower.  I realize you didn't say this, but you didn't single me out an exemption either did you.

I'm stating that holding Beck up as the "MESSNGER" is not for me. Why do you project that to implying that I would censor Beck if the rest of the country wants to hear him?

Well, could it be that you likened people who think Beck has something positive to offer, and defend him on that point, to having the same mind-set as the Obama worshippers?  Did you want me to think you didn't mind if Beck remained on the air?  I'm sure you don't want Obama to remain president.  Along those lines, I honestly don't think you want Beck to remain on the air either.  And yes, I realize you didn't say you wanted Obama out of the White House during this discussion either.

Do you think God may have had a hand in that? I believe God is fully capable of using bad people, to do His bidding.

Well, I WILL remind you that Glenn Beck believes that God chose Joseph Smith to do His bidding. So did Mitt Romney. So did Jon Huntsman. I for one, don't.

Okay, then if a family member of yours is laying out on the highway and Beck comes along and stops to help, they should ask him what his religious beliefs are, before they let him help.  And if he answers honestly, they should tell him to go away without helping.  Okay then...

If God chose Glenn to do His bidding in this case, I pray HE will keep Glenn from "becoming unspooled"....I'm just not sure HE DID choose Glenn.

If Beck is doing good works, that is from God.  The Evil One doesn't cause people to do good works.

Nobody else out there is telling it as clearly on point as Beck is when it comes to connecting the dots in detail.  That is not doing the Devil's bidding.  It is revealing people who in fact are doing the Devil's bidding.

This is an academic discussion for me.  I hope you understand that.

Take care.

318 posted on 02/22/2011 6:24:34 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Here's the proof of Obama's U. S. citizenship: " " Good enough for our 3 branches...)
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To: DoughtyOne; greyfoxx39
If Beck is doing good works, that is from God. The Evil One doesn't cause people to do good works.

A beneficial outcome for one helped doesn't define any full picture of "works."

The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart. (1 Samuel 16:7)

People seek the "outward appearance" of a good deed; the Lord might see the selfish reasons for boomerang reasons as to the reasons that motivate their actions.

For example: Mormons say "good works" will be the springboard for them to be able to grow up into full-grown gods. If good works are meant to benefit them -- to qualify for godhood -- those works no longer are defined by God as "good"...at least as far as the "heart" assessment is concerned.

Let's face it: If you're auditioning to become a god, ya better believe people are going to be on their best outward behavior!

...if a family member of yours is laying out on the highway and Beck comes along and stops to help, they should ask him what his religious beliefs are, before they let him help. And if he answers honestly, they should tell him to go away without helping

Your hypothetical doesn't include what capacity he may get the "OK" to help. The family might...
...ask him to call "911" and let someone with real expertise help...
...or warn him not to initiate moving the victim if certain back or neck injuries have been detected...
...or ask him to flag down drivers or help navigate traffic...
...or any number of things.

'Tis a difference 'tween having a "helping" role -- and taking the lead saviorhood role.

And your analogy just won't work re: pinpointing him as some lone lead saviorhood role...'Cause, believe me, whatever emergency situation we have in this country, he's not the only on-the-scene attendant or Good Samaritan poised to "help."

His voice may indeed be a help on some things; it doesn't mean we've turned over all rescue operations to him! The Good Samaritan in the Bible was a one-time rescuer for one incident. He didn't go back to town, hand them an experience-based resume', and claim he should permanently take over all future rescue operations within the region!

We do have a choice as to how much responsibility we're going to accord him to "help" the victim...because even if part or most of his "diagnosis" might be correct, his "therapeutic" suggestions might not be fully operational...or his suggestions to move the victim "out of the way" might not be fully sound given the victim's status.

If you're looking for Beck as the culture revivalist; sorry, that's a divine undertaking -- even if God uses men. And while God in the Bible and in history utilized people who weren't His...and certainly God can use Beck...the bottom line as to who God uses -- and especially to what degree -- ultimately comes down to who is going to get the glory.

Since Beck is a Joseph Smith disciple, and we know Smith "lived for glory" even by Brigham Young's admission (D&C 135:6), then God usually restrains the self-glory hounds at some point.

God's promises are sure: “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another" (Isaiah 42:8)
AND: "I will not yield my glory to another" (Isaiah 48:11)

371 posted on 02/23/2011 1:07:56 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: DoughtyOne
This is an academic discussion for me. I hope you understand that.

This is a discussion that has grown tiresome to me, in that you seem to be driven to alter my opinion. Frankly in my personal experience both with mormons and alcoholics, their grandiosity and magical thinking make them among the poorest of leaders..and/or "prophets".

I have moved on now....it's a new day and Obama is calling out his "civilian defense force"...NOW!..has Beck prophesied the date and time he would do this?

I pinged you to the article as we have agreed on many things.

396 posted on 02/23/2011 8:11:58 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("This administration has turned off America's beacon to the world for freedom and left darkness")
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