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There Should Be Common Ground - Even in the Abortion Debate
Townhall.com ^ | January 24, 2011 | Carol Platt Liebau

Posted on 01/24/2011 5:47:51 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 01/24/2011 5:47:53 AM PST by Kaslin
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Surely, just as pro-lifers should outspokenly denounce the murder of abortion providers, pro-choicers should likewise be willing to object loudly to forced abortions – and agree (at the very least) that the “doctors” who perform third-trimester abortions, murder newborn babies, and maim their mothers are monsters.

Why? "Pro-Choice" is simply a propaganda term to soften "pro-abortion". Abortionism is driven by the belief that a certain category of human persons is actually NOT human in any meaningful sense, nor worthy of protection. Why would abortionists object to any destruction of non-persons?

I have as much common ground with Abortionists as I have with National Socialists or Communists.

2 posted on 01/24/2011 5:53:41 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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Kill / let live. Allow killing / prevent killing.

Commom ground?


3 posted on 01/24/2011 5:55:43 AM PST by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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I don’t see much common ground between a live baby and a dead one.

If certain laws were enforced, the most egregious late term abortions (and post-birth abortions) could be eliminated.

I’d like to see a law passed [and enforced] punishing anyone coercing a girl/woman into an abortion.


4 posted on 01/24/2011 5:58:09 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s difficult to have “common ground” when one side of the debate refuses to be intellectually honest.


5 posted on 01/24/2011 5:59:42 AM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: Kaslin

There is no common ground on abortion. NONE!!!!


6 posted on 01/24/2011 6:00:09 AM PST by GoCards (Why me? Why not me?)
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To: Kaslin
There is no “Common Ground”

The Issue is Binary

It is either a Libertarian issue
— Your business is none of my business
— unless You force your will on Me
— Free Will, etc.

Or

It is Murder

Common Ground does not exist.
If someone makes a case for “Moderation”
they are either confused or lying

7 posted on 01/24/2011 6:03:34 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: flowerplough

There is no common ground. The pro aborts support only one choice, and that is death. I became ill listening to the stupid rabbi, Potasnik, on Religion on the Line trying to soft peddle his pro abortion stance. I am glad that a woman who regrets here abortion was on the show to tell him how awful abortion is. I was sick of his weasel words about “get together and talk. . . “. The other side has nothing to say. Period. The proof is the high number of abortions since Roe.


8 posted on 01/24/2011 6:03:40 AM PST by juliej
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To: Kaslin

Okay. Let’s start our search for common ground. Here’s my starting point: the unborn is a human life.

Agreed?


9 posted on 01/24/2011 6:04:14 AM PST by MarDav
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maybe allow them to become only mostly dead? Then Miracle Max can step in...


10 posted on 01/24/2011 6:05:45 AM PST by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Surely, ... pro-choicers should likewise be willing to object loudly to forced abortions – and agree (at the very least) that the “doctors” who perform third-trimester abortions, murder newborn babies, and maim their mothers are monsters.

I object to the use of the term "mothers" for these females.

I understand why pro-lifers created the myth that these women are "just another victim of abortion." And no doubt this is somewhat true of some of them.

But it doesn't change the fact that if abortion is murder, then all involved are at minimum accessories to that murder.

And don't call me Shirley.

11 posted on 01/24/2011 6:06:02 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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What kind of compromise are they looking for? Perhaps if Gosnell, Tiller, et al, were to use only one blade of the scissors instead of both?
12 posted on 01/24/2011 6:06:48 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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The bigger the crime, the more invisible...

There are at least 45+ million women and their doctors, who should by rights be in prison or executed, walking among us. Every women who has had an abortion should be required at least 20 year prison time, hard labor (no pun intended).

But instead, this very site celebrates these criminals because they conveniently “saw the light” after murdering their children, and get to go on book tours and do the lecture circuits and have the kind of attention and praise they would never get changing diapers and doing laundry...

Let me repeat: the Free Republic website celebrates the murderers of children.
I get sick and disgusted every time I read one of those threads about these “brave women”, etc.

So what hope do we have?


13 posted on 01/24/2011 6:07:13 AM PST by blade_tenner
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But if we are to conclude that even those who disagree with us do so in good conscience ...

This is a wrong use of "good conscience." Abortion proponents may sincerely believe they are right - although their irrational reaction to opposition raises doubts about this - but they are following a wrongly-formed conscience, not a good conscience.

14 posted on 01/24/2011 6:07:47 AM PST by Tax-chick (An attack on Sarah Palin is an attack on me.)
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To: MarDav
the unborn is a human life.

Most fans of abortion won't agree to that simple statement. They will agree it is human and that it is alive (both adjectives), but not to the phrase or that it is "a human." (noun)

A few of the more intellectually honest ones will agree, but will deny that the fetus is "a person" under the Constitution, which given the present Court interpretation is correct.

In which case they must agree that not all human lives are persons worthy of protection.

15 posted on 01/24/2011 6:09:57 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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I understand why pro-lifers created the myth that these women are "just another victim of abortion." And no doubt this is somewhat true of some of them.

I'm not so sure that's all on the shoulders of pro-lifers. I think that many women who get abortions fall into the victimhood role because it's easier on the conscience to say "I was forced/coerced into having an abortion" than to say "I chose of my own free will to have an abortion," when they are trying to come to terms with the guilt they feel afterwards.

16 posted on 01/24/2011 6:13:06 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Sherman Logan
I understand why pro-lifers created the myth that these women are "just another victim of abortion." And no doubt this is somewhat true of some of them.

I think it is more true of more of them than most folks realize.

OTOH, nobody is more aware of the enormity and hideousness of abortion than a repentant post-abortive woman.

17 posted on 01/24/2011 6:17:49 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Sherman Logan
the unborn is a human life.

Most fans of abortion won't agree to that simple statement. They will agree it is human and that it is alive (both adjectives), but not to the phrase or that it is "a human."

A sperm and egg are human. A fertilized egg is human. But good luck getting any insurance company regard it as such. No company or law regards this as a human. We are living in very evil times.

18 posted on 01/24/2011 6:18:41 AM PST by blade_tenner
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To: Kaslin

Where was the barf alert?

What fellowship hath Christ with Belial?

To paraphrase, what fellowship hath Life with Death?


19 posted on 01/24/2011 6:18:57 AM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: blade_tenner

You could insure anything, at the right premium rate.


20 posted on 01/24/2011 6:20:20 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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