Posted on 12/16/2010 4:56:49 PM PST by bruinbirdman
Germany has refused to give any ground on Europe's rescue machinery despite the escalating political and economic crisis across much of the eurozone periphery, guaranteeing a bitter clash with EU partners at a crucial summit in Brussels on Thursday.
Chancellor Angela Merkel pledged that no euro member would be "left on their own", but dug in her heels against the creation of eurobonds and demands to boost the EU's €440bn (£372bn) bail-out fund. "We must not make the mistake of thinking that collectivising risk is the answer," she told a stormy session of the Bundestag.
The defiant stand came as Moody's issued a downgrade warning on Spain owing to "high refinancing needs in 2011" and the risk of further bank bail-outs. It said central and regional governments must finance €200bn next year. Spanish lenders have to roll over a further €90bn.
"These needs are now rendered more challenging by the fragile confidence of international capital markets. Foreign investors have typically funded around 5pc of Spain's funding requirements. They may be less willing to do so in the immediate future given recent speculation about the treatment of bondholders should Spain be pushed to seek support from the EU/IMF," it said.
Moody's said Spain may need to inject €80bn of fresh capital into the banks under a "stressed scenario". The agency said Madrid seems unable to control the debts of regional juntas. There appear to be “no policy initiatives” to discipline health and education spending.
Merrill Lynch said in its global outlook that Spain’s public debt is “under control” but bank woes could yet entangle the state, forcing Madrid to seek a rescue.
Yields on 10-year Spanish bonds rose briefly to 5.6pc on Wednesday.
Bond traders say the country may have trouble raising funds until it becomes clear
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Angie clangs when she walks!
The Germans are getting tired of picking up the check for all the Euro welfare states. The guilt from WW2 is almost extinguished and this generation of Germans and certainly the next aren’t going to be shammed into making more monetary payments. This needs to end and end NOW. No more German money to pay for the people sitting on their behinds in Greece and a few other places.
They wonder why the Germans feel used and abused by the other nations, The rest of the EU Is like that Aunt and/or Uncle that could never find their own wallet when the Tab comes around!
Since Mom is British, Dad is German, and I am an American Guess I got the Euro-Trash Royal Flush!
As Mel Gibson would say, "Do you have a dog in this fight?"
Lemme figure this out...
The former East German, Osti, politican...is telling a statist Globalist body like the EU to go “stick it”
Meanwhile, Free Trade Communists and Open Borders NutJobs are still trying to push the North American Union, and claim “NAFTA is a success”.
Oh, and the East German lady is running a country that actually has a rebounding economy...while the Free Trade Communists in this country continue to pursue failure.
Germany may clean all our clocks, before the Communist Chinese do
Also since WWII Europe, Germany included, has relied on the US for military protection:
Army bases in the EU:
Germany-
Artillery Kaserne, Garmisch-Partenkirchen
Bamberg Local Training Area, Bamberg
Barton Barracks, Ansbach
Benjamin Franklin Village, Mannheim
Campbell Barracks, Heidelberg
Coleman Barracks, Mannheim
Conn Barracks, Schweinfurt
Dagger Complex, Darmstadt Training Center Griesheim
Funari Barracks, Mannheim
Germersheim Army Depot, Germersheim
Grafenwöhr Training Area, Grafenwöhr/Vilseck
Hammonds Barracks, Mannheim
Heidelberg Army Airfield, Heidelberg
Hohenfels Training Area/Joint Multinational Readiness Center, Hohenfels (Upper Palatinate)
Husterhoeh Kaserne, Pirmasens
Kaiserslautern Military Community
Katterbach Kaserne, Ansbach
Kelley Barracks/Nathan Hale Depot, Darmstadt
Kelley Barracks, Stuttgart
Kilbourne Kaserne, Schwetzingen
Kleber Kaserne, Kaiserslautern Military Community
Lampertheim Training Area, Lampertheim
Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, Landstuhl
Ledward Barracks, Schweinfurt
Mark Twain Village, Heidelberg
McCully Barracks, Wackernheim
Miesau Army Depot, Miesau
Nachrichten Kaserne, Heidelberg
Panzer Kaserne, Stuttgart
Patch Barracks, Stuttgart
Pulaski Barracks, Kaiserslautern
Patrick Henry Village, Heidelberg
Patton Barracks, Heidelberg
Rhein Ordnance Barracks, Kaiserslautern
Robinson Barracks, Stuttgart
Rose Barracks, Vilseck
Shipton Kaserne, Ansbach
Smith Barracks, Baumholder
Spinelli Barracks, Mannheim
Storck Barracks, Illesheim
Stuttgart Army Airfield, Stuttgart
Sullivan Barracks, Mannheim
Taylor Barracks, Mannheim
Tompkins Barracks, Schwetzingen
Wiesbaden Army Airfield, Wiesbaden
Storage Station, Mainz-Kastel
Warner Barracks, Bamberg
USAG Wiesbaden Military Training Area, Mainz Gonsenheim/Mombach
USAG Wiesbaden Training Area, Mainz Finthen
USAG Wiesbaden Radar Station, Mainz Finthen
Italy-
Caserma Ederle, Vicenza
Camp Darby, Pisa-Livorno
Marine Bases:
Germany-
Camp Panzer Kaserne, Böblingen
Naval Bases:
Spain-
Rota Naval Station
Italy-
Naval Support Activity Naples
NCTS Naples
Naval Air Station Sigonella
Naval Support Activity Geata
Greece-
Naval Support Activity Souda Bay, Souda Bay, Crete
Air Force bases:
Germany-
Ansbach
NATO Air Base Geilenkirchen, Geilenkirchen
Ramstein Air Base
Spangdahlem Air Base
Italy-
Aviano Air Base
Sigonella Naval Air Station
Camp Darby (Pisa-Livorno)
Netherlands-
Joint Force Command Brunssum
Portugal-
Lajes Field, Azores
Spain-
Morón Air Base, Andalusia
Morón de la Frontera, Andalusia
UK-
RAF Lakenheath, Brandon, Suffolk
RAF Menwith Hill, Yorkshire Dales
RAF Mildenhall, Mildenhall
RAF Croughton, Upper Heyford
RAF Alconbury, Cambridgeshire
Maybe it is time the EU got the bill for the military service the US has been providing all these years. How does $15 trillion sound?
I miss Dolan Barracks.
:-(
Whatever in the Heck Helmut Schmidt has been smoking I want some!
He has had his people paying “reparations” for at least seventy years and is ready to commit for another generation.
That nation has Stockholm Syndrome.
I have a friend who lives in Denmark. He brags about how Denmark provides all social service from cradle to grave - medical, education, food, housing...wonder how he feels about subsidizing southern Europe...
Ooops I meant 90 years
Anyways he didn't think that America was a good place to raise children (I would have you reference my previous sentence)so he Moved to Holland and I hear he just LOVES it there, for all the reasons that you described, I guess he wanted to be a 24 year old baby and have the state GIVE him everything.
But hey Denmark makes Lego's and The Dutch have Lots of Pot so I guess they can use THAT to Bail out Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Et al.
You left out Ayers Kaserne in Kirch Gons.
It was closed in 1997 and torn down. I only listed currently open/active bases. But good point there are probably an equal amount that have been closed for which “we should bill Europe”.
Here’s an incomplete of former bases in Germany that have been closed:
Aartal Kaserne Herborn-Seelbach (closed in June 1992)
Abrams Complex, Frankfurt am Main (closed in 1995)
Alabama Depot, Munich (closed in 1965)
Anderson Barracks, Dexheim (closed in 2008)
Andrews Barracks, Berlin (closed in 1993)
Argonner Kaserne, Hanau (closed in 2008)
Armstrong Kaserne, Budingen (closed in 2007)
Artillery Kaserne, Neckarsulm (closed in 1991)
Atterberry Kaserne, Frankfurt am Main (closed in 2003)
Augsburg Kaseren, Augsburg (closed in 1998)
Ayers Kaserne, Kirch Goens (closed in 1997 and torn down)
Aschaffenburg Local Training Area, Aschaffenburg (closed in 2007)
Babenhausen Kaserne, Babenhausen (closed in 2007)
Bad Aibling Station, Bad Aibling, Bavaria (closed in 2004)
Badenerhof Kaserne, Heilbronn (closed in 1991)
Becelaere Kaserne, Esslingen (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 1956)
Beeskowdamm Compound, Berlin (closed in 1994)
Betts Kaserne, Frankfurt am Main / 97 Gen Hosp Barracks and Family Housing
Bismarck Kaserne, Schwäbisch Gmünd (closed in 1991)
Butzbach Kaserne, Butzbach (closed in 2008)
Downs Kaserne, Downs Barracks, Fulda (closed in 1994)
Cambrai-Fritsch Kaserne, Darmstadt (closed in 2008)
Camp King, Oberursel (ceremonial closing 1993, actual closing in 1995)
Camp Pieri, Wiesbaden (Dotzheim) (closed c. 1993)
Carl Schurz Kaserne Bremerhaven (closed in 1993)
Christensen Barracks, Bindlach (closed in 1992)
Coleman Kaserne, Gelnhausen (closed in 1992)
Cooke Barracks, Göppingen (closed in 1991)
Daley Barracks, Bad Kissingen (closed in 1995 - housing area remained until 2005) [Unofficial homepage
Dagger Complex, Griesheim Darmstadt Training Center
DEH Compound, Berlin (closed in 1994)
De La Marne Barracks, Bingen
Dolan Barracks, Schwäbisch Hall (closed in 1993)
Doughboy City MOUT, Berlin (closed in 1994)
Downs Barracks [(Fulda)] (closed in 1993)
Drake Kaserne, Frankfurter Berg (Frankfurt am Main) (closed in 1992)
Dueppel Housing Area, Berlin (closed in 1994)
Edwards Kaserne, Frankfurter Berg (Frankfurt am Main) (closed in 1992)
Emery Barracks, Würzburg (closed in 1990)
Faulenberg Kaserne, Würzburg (closed in 2008)
Ferris Barracks, Erlangen (closed in 1994) Unofficial homepage - English/German
Ferris Barracks Memorial to the Soldiers of the Erlangen Brigade from 1945-1991.Feucht Army Airfield, Nuremberg (closed in 199?), homepage: Unofficial homepage
Finthen Army Airfield, Mainz (closed in 1992),
Flak Kaserne, Augsburg (closed in 1990s)
Flak-Kaserne Ludwigsburg (closed in 1991) Unofficial homepage - English/German
Flensburg Supply Depot, Flensburg
Fliegerhorst Airfield Kaserne, Hanau (closed in 2007)
Flint Kaserne, Bad Tölz (closed in 1991)
Ford Barracks, Ulm (transferred to the Bundeswehr c. 1960)
Fort Camp Redleg, Untergruppenbach near Heilbronn
Fort Skelly, Regensburg (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 1965)
Francois Kaserne, Hanau (closed in 1993)
Gablingen Kaserne, Augsburg (closed in 1998)
George C. Marshall Kaserne, Bad Kreuznach (closed in 2001)
Gerszewski Barracks, Karlsruhe (closed in 1994)
Gibbs Kaserne, Frankfurt Am Main (closed in the 90’s)
Giebelstadt Army Air Field, Giebelstadt (closed in 2006)
Giessen Depot, Giessen (closed in 2008)
Grenadier Kaserne, Stuttgart/Zuffenhausen
Griesheim Army Airfield/Stars and Stripes Kaserne, Griesheim (closed 2008) Stars & Stripes moved to Kaiserslautern
Grossauheim Kaserne, Hanau (closed in 2008)
Gruenewald Training Area, Berlin (closed in 1994)
Hardt Kaserne, Schwäbisch Gmünd (closed in 1991)
Harris Barracks, Coburg (closed in 1991)
Harvey Barracks, Kitzingen (closed in 2007)
Hawkins Barracks, Oberammergau (transferred to the Bundeswehr 198?)
Bayern-Kaserne, Munich (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 1968)
Herzo Base, Herzogenaurach (closed in 1992) Unofficial homepage(1), Unofficial homepage(2)
Hessen Homberg Kaserne, Hanau (closed in 199?)
Hindenburg Kaserne (Ansbach) (closed in 1992)
Hindenburg Kaserne ( Wuerzburg ) (closed 1994 an torn down)
Hospital Kaserne, Bad Kreuznach (closed in 2001)
Hutier Kaserne, Hanau (closed in 2008)
Jaeger Kaserne, Aschaffenburg (closed in 1992)
Jensen Kaserne, Munich (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 1957)
JAROC Processing Compound, Berlin (closed in 1994)
Johnson Barracks, Fürth (closed in 1992) Unofficial homepage
Kimbro Kaserne, Murnau (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 196?)
Kingsley Kaserne, Hof (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 197?)
Kelley Barracks/Nathan Hale Depot, Darmstadt (Kelley Barracks part closed in 2009/Nathan Hale Depot still active)
Krabbenloch Kaserne, Ludwigsburg (closed in 1993)
Kreuzberg Kaserne, Zweibrücken (closed in 1993)
Larson Barracks, Kitzingen (closed in 2007)
Lee Barracks, Mainz (closed in 1992)
Leighton Barracks, Würzburg (closed in 2008)
Lincoln Village, Housing Area Darmstadt (closed in 2009)
Lucius D. Clay Compound,Berlin (closed in 1994)
Lucius D. Clay Kaserne Garlstedt (closed in 1992/1993)
Ludendorf Kaserne, Ludwigsburg (closed in 1992/1993)
McGraw Kaserne, Munich (closed in 1992)
Mansfield Barracks, Feldkirchen, Lower Bavaria near Straubing (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 1965)
Marshall Heights Housing Area, Kitzingen (closed in 2007)
McKee Barracks, Crailsheim (closed in 1993)
McNair Barracks, Berlin (closed in 1994)
McNair Kaserne, Höchst, Frankfurt am Main (closed in 1994)
McPheeters Barracks,Bad Hersfeld (1993)
Merrell Barracks, Nuremberg (closed in 1992) Unofficial homepage
Michael Barracks, Höchst, Frankfurt am Main (closed in 1994)
Minick Kaserne, Bad Kreuznach (closed 1995?)
Monteith Barracks, Fürth (closed in 1993) Unofficial homepage
Muna Installation, Bamberg (closed in 2008)
Münster Kaserne/Münster-Dieburg Special Weapons Depot, Münster-Dieburg (closed 1995?)
Nellingen Barracks, Nellingen (closed in 1992)
Nelson Kaserne, Neu-Ulm (closed in 1991)
Neureut Kaserne, Karlsruhe
Neubiberg Air Base “Airfield R-85 Camp Rattle”, Neubiberg (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 1950s, today Bundeswehr University of Munich)
O’Brien Barracks, Schwabach (closed in 1993) Unofficial homepage
Peden Barracks, Wertheim (closed in 1992)
Pendleton Barracks, Giessen (closed in 2007)
Peterson Kaserne, Munich (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 196?)
Phillips Barracks, Karlsruhe
Pinder Kaserne, Landshut (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 1965)
Pinder Barracks, Zirndorf (closed in 1995) Unofficial homepage
Pioneer Kaserne, Hanau (closed in 2008)
Pionier Kaserne, Regensburg (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 198?)
Pond Barracks, Amberg (closed 1995)
Prinz Heinrich Kaserne, Lenggries (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 196?)
Prinz Leopold Kaserne, Munich (closed in 1955)
Ray Barracks, Friedberg (closed 2007)
Ready Kaserne, Aschaffenburg (closed in 1992)
Reese Barracks, Augsburg (closed in 1994)
Rheinland Kaserne, Ettlingen (closed in 1995)
Rivers Barracks, Giessen (closed in 1992)
Roman Way Village Housing Area, Butzbach (closed in 2007)
Rose Barracks, Bad Kreuznach (closed in 2001)
Roosevelt Barracks, Berlin (closed in 1992)
Schlangenbader Housing Area, Berlin (closed in 1994)
Schleißheim Army Airfield, Oberschleißheim (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 1973)
Schloss Kaserne, Butzbach (closed in 1992 and torn down)
Sheridan Kaserne, Augsburg (closed in 1998)
Sickels Army Airfield, Fulda (closed in 1993)
Smiley Barracks, Karlsruhe
St. Barbara, Housing Area Darmstadt
Stanggass Kaserne [Housing and HQ AFRC Berchtesgaden Military Community]
Stetten Kaserne, Munich (transferred to the Bundeswehr in the 1950s)
Strassburg Barracks, Idar-Oberstein (closed in 2008)
Strub Kaserne (Gebirgsjäger Kaserne), Commissary, Health Clinic, AFRC Housing Berchtesgaden (closed in 1995)
Sundgauer Housing Area, Berlin (closed in 1994)
Stars & Stripes, Griesheim (closed in 2008)
Stars & Stripes Compound, Berlin (closed in 1994)
Taukkunen Barracks, Worms (closed in 1996)
Teufelsberg Station, Berlin (closed in 1994)
Thomas Jefferson Village, Worms (closed in 1999)
Truman Plaza, Berlin (closed in 1994)
Turley Barracks, Mannheim (closed in 2007)
Turner Barracks, Berlin (closed in 1994)
Underwood Kaserne, Hanau (closed in 2008)
US Army Hospital Berlin, Berlin (closed in 1994)
Valdez Barracks, Ludwigsburg (closed in 1991)
Vimy Kaserne, Freising (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 196?)
Virginia Depot, Munich (closed in 1966)
Warner Kaserne, Munich (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 1968)
Wharton Barracks, Heilbronn (closed in 1989)
Wildflecken Kaserne, Wildflecken
Wiley Barracks, Neu-Ulm (closed in 1991)
Wilkins Kaserne, Ludwigsburg
Will Kaserne, Munich (transferred to the Bundeswehr in 1968)
Wolfgang Kaserne, Hanau (closed in 2008)
W.O. Darby Kaserne, Fürth (closed in 1995) Unofficial homepage
Würzburg Hospital, Würzburg (closed in 2008)
Yorkhof Kaserne, Hanau (closed in 2008)
AMEN! (and I’m Polish)
Ich bin kein Bailouter!
Aviano Air Base- Been There SUCKS!
Joint Force Command Brunssum- ehhh Not Bad
RAF Lakenheath, Brandon, Suffolk-SUCKS!
RAF Mildenhall, Mildenhall-Nice Place
RAF Alconbury, Cambridgeshire-SUCKS!
Is that 15 Trillion with or With out the Marshal Plan, Everyone is worried about our debt, we what the Hell about all the loans WE have lent people over the years? I am sure the Russians, Greeks, Mexicans, and even the Chinese have a HUGE bill they could be forking over to us, ohh but I am sure some stupid President proably forgave all them debts didn't he? Sigh.....
I wouldn't TOUCH them at 40% with a 10ft pole.
The EU is Dead. The Euro is Dead.
Inveist in the Duetsch Mark after the fact...maybe the Franc.
It hurts me to say I'm not sure about the Pound Sterling.
Amen to that, and I’m not religious.
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