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To: pnh102

No. He is pleading guilty because there is no expectation of justice from the United States military. The best he can hope for is to just get this over with as quickly as possible so he can appeal in the civilian courts the fact that his due process and 6th Amendment rights were grossly violated.


8 posted on 12/14/2010 9:47:58 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
"He is pleading guilty because there is no expectation of justice from the United States military."

Of course.

12 posted on 12/14/2010 9:51:35 AM PST by verity
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To: butterdezillion
He is pleading guilty because there is no expectation of justice from the United States military.

But why let them win like that? Why not make the government prove its case? At the very least, we'd be allowed to see what information the government haves that proves that it is in the right. I still think my original claim stands, this guy has no case, and he is just hoping for leniency in sentencing.

The best he can hope for is to just get this over with as quickly as possible so he can appeal in the civilian courts the fact that his due process and 6th Amendment rights were grossly violated.

That won't go anywhere either. No civilian court has ever accepted any sort of challenge to 0bama's eligibility. It is highly unlikely they would for this situation either.

18 posted on 12/14/2010 9:55:24 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: butterdezillion
No. He is pleading guilty because there is no expectation of justice from the United States military.

He is pleading guilty because he is guilty as charged. Go find some other poor dupe on whom to peddle your silly birther wares.

26 posted on 12/14/2010 10:12:28 AM PST by centurion316
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Civilian court???

He is subject to UCMJ; different set of rules.

33 posted on 12/14/2010 10:24:35 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Guilty of being White.)
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To: butterdezillion
The best he can hope for is to just get this over with as quickly as possible so he can appeal in the civilian courts the fact that his due process and 6th Amendment rights were grossly violated.

Someone who pleads guilty cannot thereafter appeal on those grounds. Pleading "guilty" means he is saying he is, in fact and law, guilty.

38 posted on 12/14/2010 10:32:33 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: butterdezillion

The Lt. Col. is under the UCMJ (unifomed Code of Military Justice). It’s not the same as for a civilian. Bottom line is this. The military can do whatever they want with anyone. They are following orders from the top.

The big mistake this Lt. Col. made was to think he would actually get a fair trial. Fair does not apply to UCMJ. They do whatever they want. It’s basically a Kangaroo Court.

Being that the majority of congress along with the majority of the Supreme Court are too chicken $hit to deal with this (probably because of political correctness) nothing will be done. Heck there are some people on Free Republic that truly believe that. So it’s pretty much a dead issue. I wish it would played fairly, but that is never going to happen. I know the saying, “Never say Never”, but I believe in this instance (well as long as Obama is in office) it will never happen. Perhaps down the road the truth will come out?


50 posted on 12/14/2010 10:43:52 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: butterdezillion

It could be that he’s pleading guilty because he’s guilty.

That is possible.


58 posted on 12/14/2010 10:53:18 AM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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