Military slams door on mystery missile questions

WND ^ | December 1, 2010 | F. Michael Maloof

[yoe]

The Department of Defense is slamming the door on questions about the mysterious contrail filmed Nov. 8 by a KCBS television crew near Los Angeles after questions were raised about a warning from the National Geo-Spatial Intelligence Agency that there could be missiles fired in that area at that time.

The official government position has been that the contrail, which appears to have been made by a single source, was from a jet passing by.

And the refusal to provide answers to specific questions suggests a cover-up of potential secret missile testing in the area – contrary to official jet contrail explanation.

For weeks, experts have examined the billowing plume and the single-source white-hot exhaust which they contend was from a missile, not a jet.

It was in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin intelligence report where the story was broken that several experts who examined the video of the mysterious contrail confirmed it was not from a jet but a missile.

The experts who examined the video have had extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems for various sensitive agencies of the U.S. government.

They even went so far as to suggest that the missile may have been shot from a submerged Chinese nuclear submarine, coinciding with an increasing level of confrontation between the United States and China and designed to send a message to Washington:

[TigersEye]

Well, at least now the discussion is about method and style rather than the missile conspiracy itself. That’s progress, wouldn’t you say?

Progress towards marginalizing one POV?

Well, at least now the discussion is about method and style rather than the missile conspiracy itself.

Apparently you need to use character smears to make a point yourself. lol

[RFEngineer]

“Apparently you need to use character smears to make a point yourself. lol”

Now we’re talking about character smears? Please. My primary point is and always has been that there was no missile.

Sure, I made lots of fun of you folks who as youngsters probably thought that crazy uncle really did pull coins from behind your ear at family gatherings - but that was always secondary!

And if I may have somehow mentioned that you missileers weren’t too bright, and lacked spatial reasoning capabilities, that was at best a tertiary point.

Now really, do you still think it was a missile? Seriously.....do you?

[TigersEye]

Your response is to increase your insults by a factor of five? Do you expect anyone to take you seriously if that’s how you try hold a conversation?

[TigersEye]

The first graphic depicts the trajectory of an object climbing outward bound. It is not significant, but I have approximated the "35 mile" offshore "launch point" distance estimated by the SeeBS camera crew. Notice on the right that, when viewed from a point directly east of the trajectory, it appears to be purely vertical in direction.

In particular, notice that, when viewed from the north the trajectory is to the RIGHT.

In this second graphic, I depict the trajectory of an inward (eastward) -bound object. As with the outbound case, when viewed from directly to the east, its trajectory appears to be purely vertical.

BUT, when viewed from the north its trajectory is to the LEFT.

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That illustrates perfectly why Gil Leyvas' video shows a plume veering to the right. It was an outbound missile.

[RFEngineer]

“Your response is to increase your insults by a factor of five? Do you expect anyone to take you seriously if that’s how you try hold a conversation?”

Factor of five? You insult ME.

[Rokke]

Wow. Great post. To anyone not convinced of a fallecy, that would be sufficient to explain the direction of the contrail. Undeniably so.

[Rokke]

"That illustrates perfectly why Gil Leyvas' video shows a plume veering to the right. It was an outbound missile."

The Leyvas video was taken to the south of the event. If you take about 30 seconds to analyze TXnMA's graphics, you will see that the picture you posted supports the fact that the track is inbound.

[TXnMA]

The viewpoint on that photo was well to the south of the contrail; It corresponds to the right side of my final diagram.

I deal with ALL of the data. You can't "cherry-pick" your way out of this one.

[TigersEye]

The Leyvas video was taken to the south of the event.

That is interesting. Gil Leyvas position was well to the north of UPS902's scheduled flight path. It was even to the north of Catalina Island. He also categorically stated that he thought he saw the contrail of UPS902 far to the south of what he was taping and where he was.

He (Gil Leyvas) thinks it was far out to sea, behind/northwest of UPS902. He does believe he saw UPS902 far to the south of the object he was viewing, because he specifically compared that contrail, which was obviously a jet liner, to this object, which was NOT obviously a jet liner.

If your argument holds up then we can eliminate UPS902 completely from any further speculations.

[TXnMA]

Thanks!

But, as you can see in #144 -- comprehension has yet to occur in some places...

Do you remember what thread we were on when we did our bit -- starting with your post of the CBS night view across the harbor and ending with our starting to use Google Earth to establish azimuths? Got a link?

I just found a GE viewpoint frame in one of Mick's videos that matches that same night viewpoint. Cool independent verification!

...almost as cool as your LAX GE work!! ;-) .

[Rokke]

My mistake. You are correct that Gil would be north of UPS902 assuming at least some of the video was shot from the vicinity of Long Beach. But since it isn't hard to plot what he was shooting with respect to Long Beach, (see 1:37 of this video KCAL video report), and TXnMA actually has plotted that here...

it is pretty hard to claim UPS902 was "far to the south" of what he was filming, since the actual UPS902 ground track lines up almost perfectly with the site line of what he was shooting.

"He (Gil Leyvas) thinks it was far out to sea, behind/northwest of UPS902."

Really? At 1715 (when Leyvas said he started shooting) UPS902 was 175 miles from Long Beach. So if he thinks what he was shooting was even farther away than that, I'd love for someone with more brains than I to calculate the width of the "missile trail" depicted in his video.

[TigersEye]

At 1715 (when Leyvas said he started shooting)

I have never seen any verification that he said that.

[Rokke]

Cameraman who filmed “mystery missile” describes spectacular sight

He was filming the sunset and the sun has clearly set. What time do you think he was filming?

[TigersEye]

I’m not saying that it wasn’t around that time. Obviously it was at sunset. Are you backing off of using 17:15 as an exact time? It makes a big difference since a plane moving 500 mph is covering more than 8 miles per minute.

[Rokke]

Not backing off anything. That’s why I provided a link to a source saying Leyvas said 5:15. But if you are willing to discuss distance travelled at high speed, explain the lack of relative motion of what you believe is a missile with its rocket motor(s) still ignited climbing into the sky. Keep in mind, it takes something like the space shuttle a little under 2 minutes to reach 150,000’ at which point it is moving at 3000 mph.

[TigersEye]

He said he was aboard the television station's helicopter shooting footage of the sunset over the ocean about 5:15 p.m when he noticed the spiral-shaped vapor trail and zoomed in to get a better look.

Well, you should back off. "About" doesn't say exactly when he started filming at all. At any rate we already eliminated UPS902 for certain by the criterion we just discussed a few posts ago. Add to that Gil Leyvas' own testimony that he saw the contrail of an airplane well south of what he filmed and we have two good reasons to leave UPS902 out of any discussion of this.

[TigersEye]

The viewpoint on that photo was well to the south of the contrail; ...

That means that it is impossible to be a contrail from UPS902 because we know where Gil Leyvas position was and it was far to the north of UPS902's flight path. He also said he saw a normal airplane contrail far to his south.

That should answer # 148.

[TXnMA]

This is my last post to you on this subject. Read this and see if it will penetrate your skull:

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The

CONTRAIL

DRIFTED (at ~80 MPH+)

from NORTH

of Leyvas' EARLY position

to SOUTH

of his FINAL position.

IOW , He filmed it looking NORTH at it

And then he filmed it looking SOUTH at it

...as it passed by,

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Figure it out for yourself -- or cling to your fantasy. You deserve no more consideration from me.

[TigersEye]

The CONTRAIL DRIFTED (at ~80 MPH+) from NORTH of Leyvas' EARLY position to SOUTH of his FINAL position. IOW , He filmed it looking NORTH at it And then he filmed it looking SOUTH at it

Since his position was always far north of UPS902's flight path that eliminates that as a source of the "contrail."

You deserve no more consideration from me.

I'm sorry that you're feeling so much emotional distress from my replies to your speculations. Perhaps you need a break from thinking about it all.

[TigersEye]

When seen at the lowest zoom level in the tape the "contrail" appears to be almost due west of the photographer's position. It is so far out there that even drift of a few miles of the "contrail" north to south (4 miles max in 3 minutes at 80 mph) would be insignificant from his perspective.