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Two 18 year olds challenge gun laws (TX)
connectamarillo.com ^ | 28 November, 2010 | Matt Hamilton

Posted on 11/29/2010 4:25:59 AM PST by marktwain

AMARILLO, TEXAS -- As it stands right now you must be 21 in order to get a concealed carry hand gun license, but two teenagers in Lubbock want to change that.

They think if you are 18 years old you should have all the same rights as people who are 21. So they took the 32 year old laws to federal court, claiming the current laws are illegally restricting their rights to carry hand guns.

And people we spoke with agree saying if you can serve in the military then you should be able to carry a gun.

"These guys are going to fight for out country that's a lot of responsibility in the in the training in the criteria that's going to have to be established for those guys carrying the fire arm, so you know i'm not against it," said Steve Camarta the Amarillo Gun Club president.

We also spoke to a few people off camera who disagree saying they're actually against people have guns all-together. And that only law enforcement should be allowed to carry weapons. .

No court hearings have been set yet in the cases.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 18; banglist; constitution; tx
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If you can serve in the military, you should be able to carry a gun.
1 posted on 11/29/2010 4:26:03 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Agreed. When you’re an adult, you should be able to defend yourself and a law that prevents it, is unconstitutional.


2 posted on 11/29/2010 4:32:25 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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If your life is in danger because of the scum in our society, you should be able to carry a gun.


3 posted on 11/29/2010 4:33:40 AM PST by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: marktwain

And you should be able to drink a beer.

Who set this arbitrary age of when you become a man?

In 1964 when I was married, I was 20 years old and my mother had to sign for me to be allowed to marry.

My wife was 18 and could sign for herself.

She lets me know that every once in a while when we joke about it.


4 posted on 11/29/2010 4:37:07 AM PST by Venturer
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To: marktwain

What??? This reporter found people in Amarillo who thought that no one but LEOs should carry guns? He must have interviewed the local Mexican drug dealers or the old hippies who used to demonstrate against the nuclear trigger plant in Amarillo.


5 posted on 11/29/2010 4:44:21 AM PST by kittymyrib
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If you can serve in the military, you should be able to carry a gun.

I agree to a point and that point being if your serving in the military/guard/reserves then you should have a right to carry a gun, otherwise wait until your 21.

Looking for my asbestos blanket!

6 posted on 11/29/2010 4:46:27 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: marktwain; Envisioning; waterhill

ping


7 posted on 11/29/2010 4:46:28 AM PST by ixtl (When people fear government, there is tyranny; when government fears people, there is liberty.)
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Who set this arbitrary age of when you become a man?

Any age set as the age of majority will be by definition arbitrary. 18 is every bit as arbitrary as 21.

I think the "if you can serve as a soldier you should be able to carry a gun as a civilian" argument isn't a particularly good one.

Soldiers are given extensive training in when (and when not) to use their weapons. Civilians generally receive much less training.

It is not in and of itself unreasonable to assume the extensive training given soldiers would counterbalance to some extent the admitted immaturity of those <21.

I have no dog in this fight, just pointing out that this isn't a particularly logical argument.

8 posted on 11/29/2010 4:48:29 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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“If you can serve in the military, you should be able to carry a gun.”

Agree. The age of majority should be sync’ed up. It should be either 18 or 21 on all things and not parcelled as it is right now. I vote that it be 18 on all matters.

9 posted on 11/29/2010 4:52:03 AM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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If you can serve in the military, you should be able to drink beer as well.


10 posted on 11/29/2010 4:54:16 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: marktwain

I remember in WWII the same argument was going on but at this time it was over buying a bottle of beer.


11 posted on 11/29/2010 4:57:21 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: marktwain

This article is very misleading. Conceal and carry hasn’t been around for 32 years in Texas, but only about 15 years. Promising not to veto it was one of the things that got W elected governor.


12 posted on 11/29/2010 5:03:18 AM PST by mywholebodyisaweapon
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**We also spoke to a few people off camera who disagree saying they’re actually against people have guns all-together. And that only law enforcement should be allowed to carry weapons.**

Ok, so we have group of people pining away for a totalitarian police state. Speechless.


13 posted on 11/29/2010 5:04:37 AM PST by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God!)
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To: marktwain

There’s so much that is wrong with Vermont but I always feel a little better when I read about these states with crazy gun laws.


14 posted on 11/29/2010 5:09:35 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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Would you accept more intensive training requirements to coincide with the reduction of age?

I say this because our society is no longer as rural as it used to be. Kids raised in a gun owning home usually are more responsible than say, an inner city kid who has only seen guns on tv.

Now, if you ratchet down the age to 18, that opens a whole can of worms on what other restrictive measures would be needed to train adequately, those that have zero experience. That increase in restrictiveness would be addressed as answering the maturity issues that will also be raised.

As one poster said, the military trains people, there is no equivalent outside of that in the public domain.

15 posted on 11/29/2010 5:16:33 AM PST by Wizdum
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I guess we'll find out what the Fifth Circuit Appellate Court was referring to in the Emerson ruling by:

"limited, narrowly tailored specific exceptions or restrictions for particular cases that are reasonable and not inconsistent with the right of Americans generally to individually keep and bear their private arms as historically understood in this country."

16 posted on 11/29/2010 5:17:31 AM PST by Charles Martel ("Oh, Bother", said Pooh... as he chambered another round.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Well, it has to be an arbitrary age---everyone doesn't mature at the same age. I've known very mature 18 yr olds--and very immature 25 yr olds.

I think that if an 18 yr old has a good CHL trainer, and passes the course--both written and shooting, then he should be allowed to carry.

OTOH--I get aggravated at the thought that we have to jump through so many hoops to exercise our God granted rights.

Guess I'm never satisfied.......

17 posted on 11/29/2010 5:19:00 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: marktwain
Correction: if you've served in the military, you should be able to carry a gun. Handing the average 18 year old a weapon is as stupid as giving them liquor or the right to vote. In all cases, the idiots outweigh the mature.
18 posted on 11/29/2010 5:21:47 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Venturer

What state was that?


19 posted on 11/29/2010 5:22:09 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: marktwain

Ex military with proper training should have the right, there are a lot of 18 year old hot heads, and show offs. The 18 year old in the military is trained and has trained supervision with trained eyes watching everyone with a weapon besides in the military they are told when to eat. Sleep, and sh**…. And shoot.
They already tried this with drinking and accidents stats went way up.


20 posted on 11/29/2010 5:22:59 AM PST by buggy02 (Never take life seriously, nobody gets out alive anyway.)
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