“I am not a GOP backstabber.
I pay others to do it.”
Posted on 11/23/2010 8:14:30 AM PST by onyx
1. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said Monday that Sarah Palin might well "run away" with the Republican nomination for president.
It's funny Huckabee should say such a thing, because he's got a lot of say over whether she does just that. And it has to do with whether he even runs in the first place.
As potential 2012 candidates weigh their prospects and determine their plans for the next presidential race, one thing is clear: that Huckabee and Palin inhabit largely the same space -- i.e. they each would perform well without the other, but they might undercut each other if they are in the same race.
There is currently a four-candidate top-tier consisting of Palin, Huckabee, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. And indeed, a new Quinnipiac University poll on Monday showed the four of them all huddled between 15 and 19 percent of the vote.
But while Huckabee and Gingrich have pretty broad support, the base of support for Huckabee and Palin is readily apparent, and for both of them, it starts with born-again evangelicals. The two of them combine for 46 percent of that vote, compared to just 26 percent for Gingrich and Romney. Palin and Huckabee are also the top two vote-getters among women and people without college degrees.
So why is that important? Because if any of the four frontrunners seems least likely to run for president, it would be Huckabee. And, if he doesn't take the plunge, where is his 26 percent share of evangelicals going to go? Where is his 18 percent share of women going? Who gets his 17 percent share of those without college degrees?
The obvious answer to all three of those questions is Palin.
(Excerpt) Read more at voices.washingtonpost.com ...
“When Huck utters his ‘God-words’ the evangelicals brains glaze over, and nothing matters anymore.”
When I read anti-Christian venom like you wrote, it makes me more determined to vote for Huckabee.
Personally, I would be happy with either as the candidate, if the other with VP candidate. I think they would make a good combination.
Both Palin and Huckabee have baggage. Too bad Duncan Hunter isn’t a more dynamic candidate.
“Huckabee was the prime beneficiary of the James Dobson authored “Fred’s not a real Christian” misinformation that torpedoed Thompson’s candidacy among many evangelicals.”
Fred brought that on himself. He should have quickly answered Dr. Dobson. The base is the evangelicals, he alienated them. He alienated me when he picked an open homosexual to manage his campaign.
When I read anti-Christian venom like you wrote, it makes me more determined to vote for Huckabee.
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Actually, his comments were not anti-Christian. They were "anti-stereotypical evangelical." As a Christian, I wasn't offended in the least and whole-heartedly agree with that characterization.
It's an exageration to dramatize his point that most evangelicals in 2010 were political novices swayed by Huckaphony's pastoral-sounding mularkey.
“I would not only not vote for Huckabee, I wouldn’t vote for a ticket with Huckabee on it even in the VP slot.”
That is exactly the kind of rhetoric that caused McCain to be the nominee in 2008. IF you want to lose to Obama in 2012, just keep attacking anyone that isn’t your first choice instead of talking up the positives of your first choice. The GOP cannot repeat the mistakes of 2008 where we imploded. We need to focus, mainly, during the primaries, on WHY will like a particular candidate instead of denigrating those that aren’t our choices.
Don’t listen and you are putting Obama back in for four more years of destruction of the country.
Huckabee is far far worse.
The GOP would be a dead party if they nominated Huckabee, and he would need a lot more than MY vote to win. He would, simply put, not win.
And if it looked like he could win, I would fear for the Republic as he would be as bad for the nation as 0bama, and WORSE for conservatism (0bama has been quite good for conservatism, two years of that joker and the Tea Party took OFF!).
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Fred did answer and visited with Dobson. And when Fred wouldn't kiss Dobson's ring, Dobson slagged him again. Sorry, I view Dobson as being largely responsible for giving Republicans the choice of establishment moderates McCain & Romney and moderate phony evangelical Huckabee -- which ended up sticking us with Juan McLame.
Most conservatives should have been happy to nominate an actual conservative to be President. Unfortunately many evangelicals seemed more interested in nominating someone to be a deacon or elder.
See, this is precisely why the Tea Party avoided any official endorsement of most social issues. Too many evangelicals are so blinded by their single issue (whichever one it is), that any de minimus deviancy from their orthodoxy on that issue sends them too support far less qualified candidates.
For you, it's the sexual orientation of a candidate's employee. For others like Dobson, it's a requirement to make the Human Life Amendment the major plank of Fred's campaign (while not requiring the same standard of Huckabee).
Thanks for proving the Eye Glazers point.
See post 179, I was a Thompson supporter, and I never saw Huckabee create a situation of failure for Fred.
Usually when people attack the long term Governor’s participation in the 2008 primary, they are really defending Mitt Romney, not Fred.
>>>Both Palin and Huckabee have baggage.
The only thing the Huck is conservative on is that which appeals to evangelicals. Otherwise, RINO city.
If this keeps up she will peak too soon for any inaugral speech.
I think it’s still too soon to pick a Pres/VP ticket.
Huckabee and Palin inhabit largely the same spaceNow *that's* a physical impossibility, unless he's been on a stairmaster or something.
Huckasmallgod was backstabbing all kinds of candidates with the best of Democrats against his own party last Presidential election if I remember correctly.
I can see him and also McCain sabotaging her to the best of their ability against the good of the country.
That’s how I think it would go anyway.
Huckasmallgod was backstabbing all kinds of candidates with the best of Democrats against his own party last Presidential election if I remember correctly.
I can see him and also McCain sabotaging her to the best of their ability against the good of the country.
That’s how I think it would go anyway.
Huckasmallgod was backstabbing all kinds of candidates with the best of Democrats against his own party last Presidential election if I remember correctly.
I can see him and also McCain sabotaging her to the best of their ability against the good of the country.
That’s how I think it would go anyway.
“I am not a GOP backstabber.
I pay others to do it.”
“The only thing the Huck is conservative on is that which appeals to evangelicals.”
I disagree, but for the sake of argument we will say you are correct. Then the answer is “so what?” The evangelicals (of which I am) make up the base of the party. You have to have the base to win.
Also, if someone is a conservative evangelical they are not just Pro-life and Pro-Traditional family. They are for low taxes, limited government, responsibible government spending, pro-national defense. Now where in that list is a RINO to be found? Huckabee is all those things just as Palin is.
Sorry to use the “bigot” word, but you are a religious bigot based upon a false preception.
Like I said elsewhere, it is time to drop the devisive, “my primary candidate must win or I will hate and bad mouth any other” mentality or we are just asking for Obama being POTUS until 2016.
>>>Sorry to use the “bigot” word, but you are a religious bigot based upon a false preception.
As are you. And your false perception of ME.
All The Huck has is the “right” things to say to win your support. He’s go’t nothing else. He let criminals out of prison to commit more crime - that’s just for starters. He is RINO all around.
“Fred did answer and visited with Dobson. And when Fred wouldn’t kiss Dobson’s ring, Dobson slagged him again. Sorry, I view Dobson as being largely responsible for giving Republicans the choice of establishment moderates McCain & Romney and moderate phony evangelical Huckabee — which ended up sticking us with Juan McLame.”
Everything you say is opinion and not fact that can be verified. I also did not like Fred’s excessive Federalism.
Bottom line, which you seem to be incapable of grasping, is that your bigotry towards conservative Christians is unproductive and self defeating.
“He let criminals out of prison to commit more crime - that’s just for starters. He is RINO all around.”
Sorry, granting clemency is NOT a RINO thing. It is just something you don’t like because you don’t believe that people can be reformed. Did Huckabee let out some wrong persons...yes, no doubt. How many did he let out that were reformed and became productive. Bottom line is that too much is made of this by folks that it really doesn’t bother that much, but it is a convenient way to eliminate someone they otherwise don’t like campared to a prefered candidate.
Friend you are a bigot towards conservative Christians. Just admit it....it is your right. BTW - If I had to chose between Palin and Huckabee in a primary....I’m not sure how I would vote. I voted for Huckabee in 2008, but I’m not sure I would again, if a better candidate (possibly Palin) appears. I DO have certain values that I expect a candidate to have.
I would like to know how both Palin and Huckabee feel about repealing DADT.
>>>Friend you are a bigot towards conservative Christians. Just admit it....it is your right.
And you know not of what you speak. And Something about ‘judge not’ comes to mind.
Bottom line The Huck is a RINO when it comes to everything outside your narrow issues.
Huck clearly doesn’t posses Palin’s popularity with the conservative base.
The huckster is trying to become a power using Palin’s name.
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